I'll be surprised if CSI uses this format again.

[sfleinen]

[...]
Now I hope you all realize that Shane is not indestructible. :wink:

No, they'll figure out something to b*tch about related to the equipment, or that Shane didn't get opportune time to practice on the tables, or else that the event was biased against Shane's break (related to the time needed to practice on the table to figure out how each table breaks), etc.

You just watch.
-Sean

 

[King T]

Great Post!!!

I for one am glad that Mark has kept a couple of "pro" events at his tourney, although the Masters divisions were full of top flight players as well. Jason Klatt won the Open 9-Ball and Skyler Woodward won the Grand Masters event.

My suggestion to Mark is to make each four man bracket a double elimination tourney, with the top two qualifying for the finals. There would still be only six matches required, and you would end up with one unbeaten player and one with a single loss. The final eight would be seeded with each undefeated player taking on a guy with a loss. This part of the event would be single elimination and require only seven matches to complete. It could be done on two tables in three days with no problem!

Rather than b-tch about what went wrong, I'm into finding solutions. By the way great coverage by Justin and his crew. Everyone got to see some terrific pool played by some of the world's best players. Now I hope you all realize that Shane is not indestructible. :wink:

This is a GREAT POST!! We need to all be pushing SOLUTIONS, not the problems!

 

[banditgrrr]

I for one am glad that Mark has kept a couple of "pro" events at his tourney, although the Masters divisions were full of top flight players as well. Jason Klatt won the Open 9-Ball and Skyler Woodward won the Grand Masters event.

My suggestion to Mark is to make each four man bracket a double elimination tourney, with the top two qualifying for the finals. There would still be only six matches required, and you would end up with one unbeaten player and one with a single loss. The final eight would be seeded with each undefeated player taking on a guy with a loss. This part of the event would be single elimination and require only seven matches to complete. It could be done on two tables in three days with no problem!

Rather than b-tch about what went wrong, I'm into finding solutions. By the way great coverage by Justin and his crew. Everyone got to see some terrific pool played by some of the world's best players. Now I hope you all realize that Shane is not indestructible. :wink:

The only thing that would have made it better is if you could have jumped in the booth for a match or two while you were there. :thumbup:

 

[nahog99]

Can someone give me the run down? What exactly is everyone upset about?

 

[Agent 99]

The only problem with Pool is the lack of Money and to few events for the players to have a chance to compete at a high level on a regular bases.

I think that sums it up nicely ... Dead money is the life blood of professional tournament players ... No dead money and there are no deep payouts or big paydays at the top.

You are left with only a show. A show that is very low paying for the regulars and really does nothing to grow professional pool, or for that matter the sport on any level.

Open tournaments, well defined rules (use the international standards), and encourage as much dead money as possible. Play at nice resorts and package entry fees with room rates to bring in the dead cash, and most importantly keep them coming back for more.

How bout those apples?

 

[vincentwu817]

My biggest complaint with how it was ran was the fact that they used a single ref to rack for two matches. This caused quite a lot of delay in the 10 ball event when I was watching live. On top of that, a couple of the refs were using their cell phones to the point that they were playing on it on the way to the table, puts it down on the rail, then rack. They also seem a bit clueless at times and Ken had to be called down numerous times. When you have 16 of the top players in the world to play in an INVITATIONAL, I don't see why there can't be two qualified refs refereeing both matches.

 

[Chops02]

I think that sums it up nicely ... Dead money is the life blood of professional tournament players ... No dead money and there are no deep payouts or big paydays at the top.

You are left with only a show. A show that is very low paying for the regulars and really does nothing to grow professional pool, or for that matter the sport on any level.

Open tournaments, well defined rules (use the international standards), and encourage as much dead money as possible. Play at nice resorts and package entry fees with room rates to bring in the dead cash, and most importantly keep them coming back for more.

How bout those apples?

wow...this makes far too much sense and is far too logical for pool. haha.

i do like the sounds of that though. the "nice resorts" part would definitely bring in players. especially if said resorts had things for family and players to do while their family members were playing or after they got knocked out.

 

[spartan]

It was a pies poor structure and caused problems in both events.

Ya they wanted to try "something different" and messed around and came up with a 25% one out of 4 round robin format. Instead of the common 50% round robin (i.e. 2 our of 4 qualify for knockout stage). I have only seen the 25% round robin (i.e 1 out of 4 qualify) format used in 1 other sport event. Sure it is used but by negliglible number of events
Obviously there is reason why almost everyone uses 50% round robin than 25% round robin
In this event if 50% round robin used, Ralf and Shane would have qualified from group for quarterfinals
And there will be no issue about Ralf/Dennis and Ralf likely will not quit and give excuse of 7pm flight
Ralf is known as meticulous disciplined guy who is very unlikely to make mistake of booking 7pm flight when the final is 7pm LOL

 

[jay helfert]

The only thing that would have made it better is if you could have jumped in the booth for a match or two while you were there. :thumbup:

I worked part of one Ten Ball match with Billy in relief of Bobby, who needed a break after doing a long match prior to this one. I was not on the commentary team and these guys were paid to do this job, so it wasn't my place to step in otherwise.

 

[vincentwu817]

Ya they wanted to try "something different" and messed around and came up with a 25% one out of 4 round robin format. Instead of the common 50% round robin (i.e. 2 our of 4 qualify for knockout stage). I have only seen the 25% round robin (i.e 1 out of 4 qualify) format used in 1 other sport event. Sure it is used but by negliglible number of events
Obviously there is reason why almost everyone uses 50% round robin than 25% round robin
In this event if 50% round robin used, Ralf and Shane would have qualified from group for quarterfinals
And there will be no issue about Ralf/Dennis and Ralf likely will not quit and give excuse of 7pm flight
Ralf is known as meticulous disciplined guy who is very unlikely to make mistake of booking 7pm flight when the final is 7pm LOL

I believe the 25% was chosen for resource constraints. There were only two tables and the scheduled matches were from 11am-7pm. On top of that, there was only one referee at a time for two matches, of some which deemed somewhat unprofessional. There were two "practice tables" for this match, but was being used for AmRo during the final day of the 10 ball events. To say they cheaped out on the event is a little direct, but there were definitely signs of it. Unfortunately, I don't blame them and can see where they are coming from.

 

[King T]

You actually got it right!!

I think that sums it up nicely ... Dead money is the life blood of professional tournament players ... No dead money and there are no deep payouts or big paydays at the top.

You are left with only a show. A show that is very low paying for the regulars and really does nothing to grow professional pool, or for that matter the sport on any level.

Open tournaments, well defined rules (use the international standards), and encourage as much dead money as possible. Play at nice resorts and package entry fees with room rates to bring in the dead cash, and most importantly keep them coming back for more.

How bout those apples?

I'll bet dime to dollar that if the players played the same format, with a chance to win $50K first place and the money paid through the top 30% of the field and the last place guy in the Money made.., oh $2,500, there would be no complaining.

If there was a tournament like that every month? Everybody would be talking about how cool pool is and how being a Pro Player is well worth it.

Theres a lot of smart people on this forum!! Lets figure out how to get the MONEY UP!!!!

 

[AtLarge]

... My suggestion to Mark is to make each four man bracket a double elimination tourney, with the top two qualifying for the finals. There would still be only six matches required, and you would end up with one unbeaten player and one with a single loss. The final eight would be seeded with each undefeated player taking on a guy with a loss. This part of the event would be single elimination and require only seven matches to complete. It could be done on two tables in three days with no problem! ...

That would work well, Jay. It would actually be 5 matches in each group rather than 6, and then add the 7 single-elim. matches for a total of 27 -- same as this year!

 

[Celophanewrap]

Originally Posted by*nahog99 :*Can someone give me the run down? What exactly is everyone upset about?

Primarily, Ralf Souquet opted out of his semi-final match in the 8 ball against one of Ko's. Rather than Ko being awarded a bye to the final, the runner up in Souquet's group, SVB, took his place, and won.
If these were in the rules from the off, then it's a bit of a non-issue.

What is the Dennis and MD stuff about?

 

[cleary]

He doesn't have to hate Mark, to be disgusted by what was done to Ko.
It was simply wrong and a sad day for Pool.

This was a "IT's my tournament and I can do what I want" move.
Good for you, I could care less anymore.

What happened? I don't feel like researching and I havnt been warching.

 

[The Renfro]

What happened? I don't feel like researching and I havnt been warching.

We have several manginas bleeding... some paid for the stream but most not.... The non payers are slinging slot and bleeding extra hard and have synced their flow with Celtic... itsfroze and takeitdown eerr take it up the????had manged to stay drunk for about 20 hours before they disappeared..

It's Az as usual... Hope you had a blast in vegas....

 

[jay helfert]

That would work well, Jay. It would actually be 5 matches in each group rather than 6, and then add the 7 single-elim. matches for a total of 27 -- same as this year!

You are correct, thanks. It's even easier than I thought to do it this way. And more fair to all concerned. :thumbup:

 

[jay helfert]

What happened? I don't feel like researching and I havnt been warching.

Cleary was there! He saw the whole thing! He is behind this plot to overthrow the kingdom! :grin-square: