I have lots of cases and other stuff to trade. I thought I just got 100 pieces but the seller didn't realiZe there was flags on the chalk. Hit me up with offers.
I'm looking for a gross box of pre flag master chalk
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Get a hold of Member, Pre Flag Master.
If anyone can hook you up, it is he.
I was lucky, I noticed one night at the hall that there were cubes of Pre Flag on the tables. I asked the owner if he wouldn't mind showing me the box of chalk that he had. Out comes more than half a Gross of Pre Flag. He told me that someone came in one day and dropped the box on the counter and said that he wouldn't be
needing this any longer and he could have it.
I asked him if he would trade me a gross of Masters for what was left in his box. He said sure, so I was off to the Billiard Supply real quick.
Once I told a few other players about how good the Pre Flag was, the pieces that were on the tables disappeared fairly soon after.
If anyone can hook you up, it is he.
I was lucky, I noticed one night at the hall that there were cubes of Pre Flag on the tables. I asked the owner if he wouldn't mind showing me the box of chalk that he had. Out comes more than half a Gross of Pre Flag. He told me that someone came in one day and dropped the box on the counter and said that he wouldn't be
needing this any longer and he could have it.
I asked him if he would trade me a gross of Masters for what was left in his box. He said sure, so I was off to the Billiard Supply real quick.
Once I told a few other players about how good the Pre Flag was, the pieces that were on the tables disappeared fairly soon after.
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I heard they sucked, but didn't think they were gross...
Original Poster please do a search on this topic! The manufacturer indicated several times the formula NEVER changed. Premium pricing for pre-flag chalk may be all smoke and mirrors.
It was a long while ago reading that, but do a search on the topic and best of rolls!
KD
It was a long while ago reading that, but do a search on the topic and best of rolls!
KD
Or that they didn't admit that the original formula possibly contained Lead.
That was a theory at one point also. My box and a half is most definitely a different color, goes on and stays on much better than any cube of Master chalk.
Why is that. I have no idea but I do know what I see and feel when it comes to Pre Flag.
That was a theory at one point also. My box and a half is most definitely a different color, goes on and stays on much better than any cube of Master chalk.
Why is that. I have no idea but I do know what I see and feel when it comes to Pre Flag.
OMG... again????? lolzzzzzzz 
FYI, Tweeten has readily said that some of their chalk colors did contain lead, as that was what was in the pigment industry overall at the time. Blue and Green Masters were not one of those chalks.
And that particular chalk change (whether it was red, yellow, or white) came a decade or more before 911.
Freddie
I recall that now Freddy. The pigment contained lead but not the Blue.
Either way, my Pre is a very light Blue and you can tell the difference between it and Master by swiping your little finger over the chalk.
The Blue that have is more fine, not as fine as Blue Diamond or Magic tho.
Either way, my Pre is a very light Blue and you can tell the difference between it and Master by swiping your little finger over the chalk.
The Blue that have is more fine, not as fine as Blue Diamond or Magic tho.
It seems like something must be going on. I just assume that it's darker if it's wetter, but I have no idea. Honestly, I think stick-to-it-iveness isn't a quality metric for Tweeten so we see a wide gamut. Skip tells me they've had a mix formula for 80 years and they repeat the mixing process!
For the sake of those who have yet to be edumicated about the "pre-flag" controversy...
There are two camps on this. One side says, "I can tell the difference, so obviously something changed". The other side says, "Tweeten (the company that makes Master chalk) has stated that there never was a formula change."
I happen to be in the camp that says there is a difference. I am not going to address the controversy and I am not saying Tweeten is lying. I can not offer any explanations, just my opinion that the chalk has changed. In fact, I think it changed twice.
The old, old good stuff is harder, lighter shade of blue, and coats the tip with a thin, even coat.
Then there is what I call the middle aged stuff. It's a little darker shade of blue and goes on with sort of a clay-like coat. I like this stuff too.
The latest version is back to a lighter shade of blue, softer, with a lot of cast off, goes on cakey, and just doesn't seem to stay on the tip as well.
Now I'm not saying present day Master is bad chalk, just that it doesn't compare really well against the older Master, Blue Diamond, or even Triangle.
As for the flag/911 part. People noticed that the chalk changed. People also noticed that the American flag was added to the label. People started to associate the two events, so the older version began to be known as "pre-flag" Master chalk. But the reason Tweeten added the flag was to show USA support after 911. The flag has nothing to do with the (alleged) formula change. In fact the flag was added to the label like maybe five years after the formula change. If you are not careful, you could end up buying (or selling) the newer formula with no flag. So calling it "pre-flag" really is a misnomer.
Fatz
Or you could simply maintain your tip so it doesn't glaze over. Given a proper tip condition, I really don't think anyone could empirically demonstrate any difference.
I did it with pre and post flag and Blue Diamond. A fully coated blue tip was produced by each. I believe one of the pit falls of forums is that we tend to over analyze stuff ad nauseam.
I often am guilty of this also...:smile:
I did it with pre and post flag and Blue Diamond. A fully coated blue tip was produced by each. I believe one of the pit falls of forums is that we tend to over analyze stuff ad nauseam.
I often am guilty of this also...:smile:
