I'm opening my dream pool room

The Saw said:
Ron makes a real good point..... Darters are big time action at the bar (at least here). I'm not a dart fan but a four man dart team is equal money to most 6-7 man pool league teams at the bar, maybe more... And like he said, they take up a lot less real estate.


I agree on this from a business standpoint, you need to have darts clearly separated.

I, as a would be customer, however would love it if you had no darts.


This is a hell of a project and I really do hope that you succeed and maybe lay a blueprint for how to do a pool hall today. I think there is an enormous gap in the market for a place like this in Dallas... I'm very interested to see how things go. Do keep us updated!
 
I'm moving to Fargo... :)

Please let me know when franchising becomes available. Seriously.
 
Very Impressed

Mike in the time I have been here on AZ I have enjoyed reading your input on a great number of subjects. Your information has always been well presented including video. There have been a number of times your point has been timely and well made even causing some paradigm shifting for me.

Your plans for this room are just remarkable as your presentations and input here on AZ. I wish you well with your new room and hope it brings you much satisfaction and prosperity for many years to come.
 
Congrats Mike!

I'm sure you have more then crunched the numbers,but man that room sounds huge to me.It does make me wonder about population percentage that plays pool.

I wonder if it's higher in the colder regions? Seems like it would be.

I want pictures too....pictures as it comes together over time would be sweet.,maybe a bit of an on forum photo journal kinda thing....I know I'd check for updates.
Best of luck and I hate the finished product will be so far away,
TBall
 
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Nice room...

This looks pretty close to spectacular...the only thing that makes me wonder is why so many 7-footers compared to 9-footers??...

Not a huge chance that this Florida guy gets up to Fargo...well anything is possible I guess...

Best wishes...

Mike
 
Da Bank said:
I agree on this from a business standpoint, you need to have darts clearly separated.

I, as a would be customer, however would love it if you had no darts.


This is a hell of a project and I really do hope that you succeed and maybe lay a blueprint for how to do a pool hall today. I think there is an enormous gap in the market for a place like this in Dallas... I'm very interested to see how things go. Do keep us updated!

I?ll respond to several comments here.

Gastropub ?

My mother says it sounds like a disease, so why would I use the word anyway? There?s been a lot of thought in this. It?s a word I would not use if I had a business that tried to draw travelers in off the highway or if I was yet another food pub in an urban area that drew in customers off the street. But you have to understand the situation here. The metro population is 180,000 or so. This will be a big place. People who go out around here will know about it. Word spreads like wildfire when an interesting new place opens up. What I need to fight is the impression that many people most of whom have never even been in a billiard parlor have about a billiard place. When they hear ?Fargo Billiards,? there?s a little voice in the back of their minds that incorrectly says, ?oh, I know what that kind of place is.? ?Fargo Billiards & Gastropub? disarms that little voice. It says, ?maybe I don?t know what this is about.? The word is a little mysterious. A little bit of curiousity is OK. If the word generates a conversation at home about stomach acids and names and so forth, I don?t even think that?s a bad thing. Fact is, this place IS different from what is likely in their minds.

Darts ?

This one is subtle. As many of you know, I am serious about pool. I think it is a rich, complex, intricate game that has the power to help us find things out about ourselves and has an unusual ability to bring together diverse people. I?m pretty knowledgeable about a number of different aspects of pool and I will have staff who are knowledgeable about and proficient at the game. I have definite ideas of how pool should be brought into the next generation. In other words the place will be serious about the game. At the same time, I recognize I?m in the entertainment business. I?m selling, amongst other things, the opportunity to socialize and have some fun. There will of course be all kinds of patrons, from those serious about the game to those new at the game with an eye to improving to those who are just doing yet another activity who could care less about how it?s supposed to be played and so forth. Significantly, though, the opportunity to be cavalier about the game is offered by an establishment that is serious about the game. Once I start offering activities for which the establishment is not serious, the relationship with the patron changes, and that affects everything.

People associated with the bar/entertainment business are fond of looking at a particular offering/activity by how many square feet it takes and what income is generated, as though every activity and feature of the business was somehow independent of everything else. That?s not even close to true. What I?m creating requires looking, always, at the big picture.

Furthermore, it is common to imply what I see as a false dichotomy, that between on one hand the well meaning business unsavvy idealist creating the environment HE likes and hoping others will like it, and on the other hand the shrewd, intuitive business person who understands you need to give the customer what he wants and has a good sense of what separates a customer from his money. The reality is not so one dimensional. There?s a whole nuther direction to this gig. And that new direction involves VISION. It means recognizing you know something about your potential patrons that they don?t even know about themselves.

If we don't screw it up, pool has the power to bring together young and old, rich and poor, blue collar and white collar, men and women, liberal and conservative in a way these groups normally don't interact. Generating an environment that accomplishes my goals requires vision and discipline. It is important that I have an environment for which at first blush you can't identify WHAT "crowd" it's supposed to appeal to. Putting together pool and darts and juke box and video golf says these patrons can name numerous race car drivers but no NY Times columnists. A different environment might say just the opposite. I don't want that either. Some might say then I'm going to appeal to nobody. I firmly believe that's not true. I believe in the power of the game as a glue and a catalyst that if approached with discipline and vision can do things we don't see right now.
 
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If we don't screw it up, pool has the power to bring together young and old, rich and poor, blue collar and white collar, men and women, liberal and conservative in a way these groups normally don't interact.

Mike,you get rep for that sentence alone.I could not agree more.

(pictures of the build?)
 
mikepage said:
This doesn't have the food/coffee area fleshed out, but I think it gives the general idea

Looks awesome, Mike. Two comments...

Why so many 7' tables? My local hall has leagues every night and they only have half a dozen. Even the league players seem to prefer to practise on the 9 footers.

Also, if you want to have pro tournaments there, wouldn't it be nice to have an 'arena' area with maybe 2 reserved 9' Diamonds and spectator seating somewhere?

You've probably got that covered off, but just my two cents worth.

Good luck with the venture. Wish I wasn't so far away... how long would it take me to drive to Fargo?
 
Wow! Looks great!

I would have thought there would have been a 3-cushion and/or snooker table, but maybe not a lot of snooker/billiard players in Fargo. Other than that it looks very awesome.

I'm definitely going to take a road trip up there once it opens!
 
Mike

Congrats! One day I hope to be able to have/open my own room. A couple questions..

1- Why the different brands of tables? I know you like Gabriels as do I but did you already have some of the tables?

2- I know that you diagram isnt 100% accurate but are there any windows or light sources? With 28k and the segregation I am guessing you need 3-4 emrgency exits??

3- One time years ago I looked into opening a bar/pool room. I wanted to raise the seating area like yours. However they wanted 1inch of ramp for every 1 inch or rise. Is that the same there. Also are you required to have a ramp for the 12" raised area?

4- Whats the deal with the one tight diamond?

5- Mail Computer ?? What are these areas?


Looks awesome and sorry about the questions. Like you I have been to many rooms and have taken ideas from each. I could ask a ton of questions to be honest.
Keep us up to date. Best of luck to you. Pictures lots of pictures.
 
I'm in

back2good1 said:
Let us know when you open. I want to see this with my own eyes. Anyone else from the southwest up for a road trip?

Can you swing by the PNW to pick me up?

It will be like a pool players pilgimage LOL.

But seriously Fargo is now on my lists of places to go.
 
Mike,

This looks awesome! I can't wait to see it and you are to be commended for having a vision for a place like this. Well done, sir!

Brian in VA
 
Best of luck Mike. I know you'll do well. This sounds like that class A set up that someone posted pics here not long ago in Belleview Wa. I'm in Saskatchewan, so not overly far from you. Lets us know when you're up and running and we'll drive down for a weekend visit.
Terry.
 
WOW Mike. As I read the post I could paint the picture in my mind and my jaw dropped. Hey do you have any plans for a carom table or a snooker table at any point? The addition of the live entertainment is awesome. Sounds really classy.

When this place is open you must post pictures. I might plan a vacation to your place when it opens. Rep to you and good luck. Sounds like heaven on earth.
 
Oh sorry can't give you any rep. Its the law. Must spread it elsewhere. I guess I have to find some sarcastic useless post to rep now.

Anyways thanks for creating what sounds like one of the seven wonders of the pool world.
 
Looks like a nice layout Mike. Glad to see you got all the Gabriels there in one piece. Our's are still storage as we work out more details for our place. I will look you up when I get out to that area.

Best of luck.

Tom Cox
 
Yeah "GastroPub" doesn't have an appealing ring to it. I would definitely get some first-repsonse type feedback before committing to the sign.

I don't think you want a name that conjures up negative images and which you have to educate your customers as to the meaning.
 
watchez said:
Why no video games? Golden Tee is a monster money maker.

I had to look up to see how big Fargo is - 100,000 population correct?

Best of luck - sounds like an impressive place.

Yes Golden Tee is a monster money maker, so are those Touch screen trivia games that sit on top the bar. Is the Fargo area big enough to support a 56 table room?
 
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