Image of "pool"

AOyster

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The Image of “pool”

As many of you know I do not frequent forums on the Internet very often. Way too busy to sit still that long but I think this point needs attention.

The image of “Pool”? When you hear the word “pool”, what do you think of? What scene do you immediately have in your mind? Yes I know, this could be the wrong place to get the average answer but I think it is a very important question and one that as we continue to see needs updating/changing.

I travel quite a bit and mostly on planes. The most common/difficult question I receive when traveling is “what do you do? I have learned over time not to answer this one too quickly. Unfortunately, I have learned to “feel out” the person asking and learn a bit more about them. My first response is usually “I teach a sports psychology kinematics course” This always gets their attention, which always begs for an elaboration.

The conversation frequently continues with my adding “The course is based on the Cueing Arts” The eyebrows raised and the seat returns to its upright position. I expand and the conversation carries forward at over 500 mph. This next step is the hardest. Explaining the Cueing Arts. Yes, the word “pool” is held back as long as possible and sometimes it is the only word to clarify. “pool” Even the simple act of demonstrating the air stroke and bridge isn’t enough.

We all agree that this word immediately creates an image that is unfortunately for the most part “negative”. By this I sincerely mean the image of pool to most, (players and non-players alike) is that of smoking, gambling, drugs, fighting, bars, drinking, etc. Just one word says all this. Even the word “pool” is built around gambling. Bar players pooling their money.

As for the end of the conversations with my new altitude friends, the story quite frequently ends with a smile and the sounds of “do you have a card?” just after the “welcome to ______airport”.

One flight I remember actually giving a short lesson on the flight in the aisle when the first class flight attendant announced who was is seat 2A. This one I will never forget, not because of the scene, because my mailbox was full of messages from the flight that evening and not one message with the word “pool”. This was all made possible by my introducing myself as a Cueing Arts professional instructor.

Why then is the nature and status of the “IP(pool)T” in doubt? I would have to suggest that the name has a lot to do with it. Anyone agree? Getting a national network to air “pool” most likely will never happen and we all know this is the solution to the ultimate growth of professional billiards.

I have experienced conversations go from “hello” (smile) to “pool” (frown) in a matter of seconds and scenarios above that lead to great students. I don’t feel that this game/art we all love should continue with this negative image of the past. It is time for a change.
 
The IPT is in trouble because the business model that Kevin Trudeau was betting on (no pun intended) was internet gambling. Last year after the IPT had started up, the IPT was setup for failure once Congress banned internet gambling in the states.

The promise of the IPT was pretty much stamped out by legislation -- not image.
 
What is wrong with the image of pool? What you see is what you get.

"We all agree that this word immediately creates an image that is unfortunately for the most part “negative”. By this I sincerely mean the image of pool to most, (players and non-players alike) is that of smoking, gambling, drugs, fighting, bars, drinking, etc. Just one word says all this. Even the word “pool” is built around gambling. Bar players pooling their money"


What is the image of a Sunday church goer? What you see is not what you get.

For the rest of the week---lying, cheating, stealing, drinking, gambling, smoking, going to AA meetings, casting stones,etc.
 
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AOyster said:
Getting a national network to air “pool” most likely will never happen and we all know this is the solution to the ultimate growth of professional billiards.

TW,
Thanks for your thoughts; they are very perceptive, and very accurate. I believe most of us value your participation - your thoughts show you have a true love for the game. There is nothing wrong with promoting your ventures here. If we can't share our ideas and aspirations here, where can we?

I would, however, think that there is even more to the ultimate growth of pool than network television. To legitimize the sport we also need to get tables into the schools, and into the country clubs. The pool table manufacturers are missing the boat in not having tables in schools and country clubs. As soon as kids can get a letter sweater for pool; the sport will have arrived. As soon as the country club golfers can compete on the pool table on a rainy day or in the winter - table sales will improve. JMO.
 
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I was at a old-time country club recently that was reducing their food business and thus renting out that part of the clubhouse (Maytag sold out and most of their customers left town :( ) and a new restaurant was opening there. I asked if they were going to put in a pool room/table? You should've seen the anguished look on that lady's face! "A POOL table?!?" she cried, "You can't be serious!" She turned and left as if I had the plague.

That attitude is prevelant, for sure. I wonder how can we here on AZ help to change that erroneous paradigm?

Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
I was at a old-time country club recently that was reducing their food business and thus renting out that part of the clubhouse (Maytag sold out and most of their customers left town :( ) and a new restaurant was opening there. I asked if they were going to put in a pool room/table? You should've seen the anguished look on that lady's face! "A POOL table?!?" she cried, "You can't be serious!" She turned and left as if I had the plague.

That attitude is prevelant, for sure. I wonder how can we here on AZ help to change that erroneous paradigm?

Jeff Livingston

JL,
In Pennsylvania, they have the "Palmer League" where country clubs compete against each other in golf. They need the equivalent in pool.

Someone like Greg Sullivan needs to get pool tables in all the country clubs that compete against each other - and promote similar competition in pool. Just pick an area that already has established rivalries. These are competitive guys; they want to excel. It's hard to see how this would not result in increased sales. The competition in golf is fierce; and money is no object in the quest for improvement.

A similar idea would work in the high schools. Get tables and pool clubs set up in every high school in a given conference; get them playing each other....more home tables sure to follow (parents hate for their kids to lose at anything).
 
This perception you speak of will be this sport for the rest of our lives. It's not something that can be undone in one generation. It will take a lot of steps from many people/organizations that are dedicated in representing in a different light.

Notice I said different light, not necessarily a better light. One of things that makes pool what it is is the gambling aspect. I'm not even sure if I ever want to see pool receive a more broad appeal from the public, ie poker. I enjoy being able to go to a tournament from time to time and play with professional players for a nominal entry fee. If it does become a very popular sport I may not be afforded the same opportunities to mix it up with the pro's.
 
New to this forum but a 30+ year player, "pool instructor" at the Univ. of Alaska, Fairbanks, and part-time coach to the new "kid" on the block Richie Orem.
As I read through these posts I would comment on the one thing I feel most important as well as image related. The first thing I teach my class of students is etiquette around the table during play. The common courtesies are common sense, which may or may not be in use no matter what level the venue.
 
bluewolfe said:
New to this forum but a 30+ year player, "pool instructor" at the Univ. of Alaska, Fairbanks, and part-time coach to the new "kid" on the block Richie Orem.
As I read through these posts I would comment on the one thing I feel most important as well as image related. The first thing I teach my class of students is etiquette around the table during play. The common courtesies are common sense, which may or may not be in use no matter what level the venue.


bluewolfe you are not the first person I've heard say they taught Richie Orem. I was stationed with Tony Softa in Alaska and he said that he taught him some stuff. Tony and I deployed to the Middle East in the summer of '03. First to Saudi where they didn't have pool tables. So we bet on everything from who could bench press the most, what a concrete barrier weighed, and many other crazy bets. I ended up a few hundred up by the time we forward deployed to another country that had pool tables. I ended up probably a few hundred stuck after Tony Softa took me under his wing and "taught" me :D
 
Change the name..that's a start

chefjeff said:
I was at a old-time country club recently that was reducing their food business and thus renting out that part of the clubhouse (Maytag sold out and most of their customers left town :( ) and a new restaurant was opening there. I asked if they were going to put in a pool room/table? You should've seen the anguished look on that lady's face! "A POOL table?!?" she cried, "You can't be serious!" She turned and left as if I had the plague.

That attitude is prevelant, for sure. I wonder how can we here on AZ help to change that erroneous paradigm?

Jeff Livingston

Changing the name is the first step and I think in doing so will provide the most change in the current cloudy vision. Very soon, the sport will not have all the smoky billiard rooms. We are surly on the back end of this as change is happening all over. A name change is needed now. The perception of the negative image will, as most of you say, continue. We need to give the new image a different more positive name. As I said, "pool" immediately triggers an image without a second look. It is always the term used here. If at all at least we should be using the term "billiards" We need non players to give it a second look now. I say let's all try to go one week without ever using the word "pool". Substitute it with something positive, creative and interesting like this game we all love. "out with the old...in with the new" My suggestion is the Cueing Arts. I would love to hear any others. Just imagine....! A brand new image we can all take part in establishing together as positive.
 
Don't try to change the name and don't try to make it out to be something it's not. We sure as hell don't need it to wind up like poker did with most tournaments full of "posers" and "wannabes". If You are embarrassed of pool then quit playing.
 
Cueing Arts = PGA

bigskyjake said:
Don't try to change the name and don't try to make it out to be something it's not. We sure as hell don't need it to wind up like poker did with most tournaments full of "posers" and "wannabes". If You are embarrassed of pool then quit playing.

I don't play "pool". In fact I refuse to be anywhere near smokey "pool rooms". Who ever said I was embarrassed. You obviously have no idea who I am. Now I remember why I don't frequent these forums.

"Pool" will always carry the negative baggage. The "Cueing Arts" is the positive side. You choose which side you feel most comfortable on.

There is clearly two levels of class here within this sport. "Pool" is to "putt-putt" as the Cueing Arts is to the PGA.
 
AOyster said:
I don't play "pool". In fact I refuse to be anywhere near smokey "pool rooms". Who ever said I was embarrassed. You obviously have no idea who I am. Now I remember why I don't frequent these forums.

"Pool" will always carry the negative baggage. The "Cueing Arts" is the positive side. You choose which side you feel most comfortable on.

There is clearly two levels of class here within this sport. "Pool" is to "putt-putt" as the Cueing Arts is to the PGA.


Wow... Your nose is turning up so quickly you'll be smelling your own ass in no time! Cueing arts... give me a break. Surprised you have enough time to play POOL in between your tea parties and pedicures.
 
Times are changing

Oyster:

Maybe a lot of this "negative image" is your remote memory. Most people I talk to, when I say I am a pool player say, "oh yeah I saw the women playing on ESPN". (Thank goodness they did not see Earl) The women pool players have done more in the past few years to improve the image of pool than anything.
 
Totally agree that there are many things that could happen to improve interest and perception of the sport of pool, but the least effective of all suggestions is to change the name to "Cueing arts".

As for your suggestion that the "IPT" failed because it has the word "pool" in it, that's ludicrous. It was doomed to fail from the beginning, because it was based on false promises from a known confidence man and criminal who still, to this day, exploits people with illness (by selling them lies) for personal gain.

No no, you're right... if only he had called it the "International Cueing Arts Tour" everything would be all better now ;)
 
Forgive them for they know not what they do...wow..thats all i can say is wow..Hey oyster...i will say im sorry for some of the comments you got back for your post...regardless if I agree with you or not...the fact that you are even thinking of ways to bring billiards to better light is commended..what happned in this thread is a reflection of why pool is what it is...the man only made a suggestion..and he catches flak for it...give me a break..if you dont agree with him find ..but dont attack him..say you dont agree and leave it at that..for one ..i dont think changing the name will work..it starts with taking the game the route that soccer took here in the united states..it got pitched to the little kids..heck..if you want just search post by me and i have already said something on the issue....How can we exspect the world to change it mindset about pool if we cant even discuss it respectfully here..As for me I try to make an impact on pool by seeing young players and teaching them what was taught to me..but improving on what was told to me..i try to pass it on..Im no pro...i shoot okay..but i love talking about pool and do so whenever i can...I just was a bit dissapointed at how the thread went..just my 2cents
 
quitecoolguy said:
Forgive them for they know not what they do...wow..thats all i can say is wow..Hey oyster...i will say im sorry for some of the comments you got back for your post...regardless if I agree with you or not...the fact that you are even thinking of ways to bring billiards to better light is commended..what happned in this thread is a reflection of why pool is what it is...the man only made a suggestion..and he catches flak for it...give me a break..if you dont agree with him find ..but dont attack him..say you dont agree and leave it at that..for one ..i dont think changing the name will work..it starts with taking the game the route that soccer took here in the united states..it got pitched to the little kids..heck..if you want just search post by me and i have already said something on the issue....How can we exspect the world to change it mindset about pool if we cant even discuss it respectfully here..As for me I try to make an impact on pool by seeing young players and teaching them what was taught to me..but improving on what was told to me..i try to pass it on..Im no pro...i shoot okay..but i love talking about pool and do so whenever i can...I just was a bit dissapointed at how the thread went..just my 2cents

Thanks for the thoughts. I agree! And as for the previous post "International Cueing Arts Tour" sounds great. Imagine that on headline news.

As for the previous to that...I do drink organic Jasmin "Oyster" Pearl tea (what else right) and the pedicures are every month. Lots of time in between for Cueing Arts.

Tonight is 2003 Darioush Napa Cab. with the racks, tea borders them.
 
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