Improve Your Play To Pro Level Without Aiming

[Low500]

YES to a "Non-Aiming Forum"

This is totally uncalled for. It's not a joke. There are aimers on here and so called non-aimers. This is an AIMING FORUM where the non-aimers like to come in and blast aimers for the method of aiming they use. It's been going on for decades and extremely ugly.
I do think non aimers or those who claim to play with no aiming system should have their own forum. Separate the two for peace and quiet.

I like your idea.
I am an aimer and I use a system to do it.
And I care nothing about ridiculing non-aimers, "feel" players, subconscious thought players, hit a million ball players, or any of the other ways they accomplish what they want to do.
I would never venture into one of their arenas to pitch a sales job or an idea. (Just as I would not enter an Atheist forum and start a pitch for Christianity.)
The non-aiming forum could be all their own as far as I'm concerned.
And we aimers could have a forum all our own as well. We could get some real good info going back and forth.
No more hassles, belly aches, war stories about "what I learned way back when", and Mr. Wilson's work would be easier.
:thumbup:

 

[garczar]

Do you have something, anything to contribute to aiming? I'm open.

"Never wrestle with a pig. You'll get muddy and the pig will probably like it". Seriously, if you tossed CTE, 90/90, GB in a blender, what comes out is basically what i use. CJ's system is good also. Ever seen CJ play in person? I have and he pockets balls as well as ANY player i've ever watched. I think the "no aimers" aim and just can't describe it.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Seriously, if you tossed CTE, 90/90, GB in a blender, what comes out is basically what i use. CJ's system is good also. Ever seen CJ play in person? I have and he pockets balls as well as ANY player i've ever watched.

When CJ was at his peak he was as good as any player and sat at the top of the totem pole.

I think the "no aimers" aim and just can't describe it.

Maybe. But ironically they can describe exactly what I'm doing or think I'm doing in great detail to knock it. How can it be they're at a complete loss for words pertaining to themselves and what they see and do yet go into prolific detail about my aiming method?

 

[garczar]

Maybe. But ironically they can describe exactly what I'm doing or think I'm doing in great detail to knock it. How can it be they're at a complete loss for words pertaining to themselves and what they see and do yet go into prolific detail about my aiming method?

Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. Off-topic(sort of), there was a great golfer back in the day named Ralph Guldahl. At the height of his game a magazine asked him to do an article on how he played. Ralph had never been a tinkerer just a player. When he went to self-analyze his swing he almost completely forgot how to play. He was never the same player after this. He said it wasn't the book deal but most of his fellow players said it was. I'm assuming that this could happen to a pool player as well. Weird stuff.

 

[MattPoland]

I like your idea.
I am an aimer and I use a system to do it.
And I care nothing about ridiculing non-aimers, "feel" players, subconscious thought players, hit a million ball players, or any of the other ways they accomplish what they want to do.
I would never venture into one of their arenas to pitch a sales job or an idea. (Just as I would not enter an Atheist forum and start a pitch for Christianity.)
The non-aiming forum could be all their own as far as I'm concerned.
And we aimers could have a forum all our own as well. We could get some real good info going back and forth.
No more hassles, belly aches, war stories about "what I learned way back when", and Mr. Wilson's work would be easier.
:thumbup:

Every forum carries a history of interactions that are often destined to repeat themselves. Whether you support HAMB, CTE, Poolology, stick aiming, etc., there will always be someone that interjects their bias to a conversation in a manner that isn’t constructive or fitting of the topic. There is always a new batch of people showing up that doesn’t realize their contribution may be meaningful in one context and less so in another. No degree of forum organization will stop the behavior. At best, more seasoned forum members get comfortable with not taking the bait. The only enforceable standard is really just against flame wars. You can’t really stop a newbie from scoffing about HAMB in a CTE thread.

 

[BC21]

Cut the crap or stay out if you think that way. If you have a specific answer on alignment or aiming instead of inner workings of the brain mumbo jumbo, fine.

Do your own specific thread on the conscious, subconscious, or unconscious functions of the brain and how it applies to pool.

You asked, "What is your process to make the CB impact the OB at just the right place to send it from 0 - 90 degrees accurately into a pocket repeatedly without missing?", which is a bit farfetched anyway because no player (including every pro you can think of) can make every shot between 0 and 90° repeatedly without missing.

I answered your question, gave you my process -- it's called ROTE, which is based on memory and 100% involves the brain. I even went so far as to explain how the brain does this, storing all aspects of repeated shots, which includes visual alignment and aiming the cb toward the correct area based on what you know because of a developed knowledge of shots stored in your head. That's pretty specific. I can't help that you don't understand it.

Here....this is probably more understandable for you: We feelers aim in such a mind-blowing manner that it can only be called a "mysterious phenomenon." Is that "specific" enough? You don't have to answer that. I knew better than to post in this thread, but I actually thought you were being serious in your inquiry. You asked for "NO ATTACKS", yet you immediately attack every response.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

So the only possibilities are aiming systems and "not aiming"?

Do you ever wonder how all these aiming threads get so polarized?

pj
chgo

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. Off-topic(sort of), there was a great golfer back in the day named Ralph Guldahl. At the height of his game a magazine asked him to do an article on how he played. Ralph had never been a tinkerer just a player. When he went to self-analyze his swing he almost completely forgot how to play. He was never the same player after this. He said it wasn't the book deal but most of his fellow players said it was. I'm assuming that this could happen to a pool player as well. Weird stuff.

Man, I didn't even know who you were talking about and had to look Guldahl up on Wikipedia. He was born in 1911 and pretty dominant in the 30's and 40's.

They were all self taught back then through trial and error. If a player made it big in golf during that era it was because they had exceptional hand/eye coordination and hit so many balls until their hands bled. No instructors. Analyzing his own swing could have screwed him up unless it was something else like booze. Many of them drank from what I've read.

Today almost all of the players have instructors since childhood through Jr. golf, through college, and especially once they turn pro.

Not long ago I read something Butch Harmon said about Tiger Woods when they got to the end where he didn't teach Tiger any more. Butch said, "There really isn't any more I can teach him because he knows more about the golf swing than I do."

 

[SpiderWebComm]

So the only possibilities are aiming systems and "not aiming"?

Do you ever wonder how all these aiming threads get so polarized?

pj
chgo

Sure, because there aren't separate forums.

I'm looking forward to you becoming King On The Mountain in the NON-AIMING FORUM. Good luck.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I knew better than to post in this thread,

I wish you would have followed your gut feeling and continue to do it.

but I actually thought you were being serious in your inquiry.

I am!

You asked for "NO ATTACKS", yet you immediately attack every response.

BULLSHIT! Now YOU'RE stirring crap and spreading a lie. There have been some good interactions and those who think this thread is right on the money and like it.

Do me and everyone else a favor and join Pat Johnson in creating the NON-AIMING FORUM for NON-AIMERS.

 

[BC21]

BULLSHIT! Now YOU'RE stirring crap and spreading a lie. There have been some good interactions and those who think this thread is right on the money and like it.

Do me and everyone else a favor and join Pat Johnson in creating the NON-AIMING FORUM for NON-AIMERS.

After reading every post, I apologize for saying you were attacking every response. You only ridiculed my response, when I was trying to give you an honest answer on how feelers aim. And we do aim. It's just not as simple to describe as saying "stand here, look there, hold your cue here, then pivot or shift to there".

We aim to send the cb where it needs to be based on a head full of shots where we've put the cb where it needed to be. The explanation is that simple. There are no details to give. It'd be like asking Clayton Kershaw how he pitches so well. He'd probably say, "Oh, I've been doing it a long time, was always good at, better than average I guess. The more I practiced the better I got." Then you'd say, "That's a load of crap! What a bunch of BS! I want specifics!" And he'd look at you like you've lost your mind, then he'd politely walk away.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

So the only possibilities are aiming systems and "not aiming"?

Do you ever wonder how all these aiming threads get so polarized?

pj
chgo

Sure, because there aren't separate forums.

I'm looking forward to you becoming King On The Mountain in the NON-AIMING FORUM. Good luck.

Thanks. I'm wishing you all the best in the CTE-Only Forum (where you can SHOUT as much as you like without keeping the neighbors awake).

pj
chgo

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Thanks. I'm wishing you all the best in the CTE-Only Forum (where you can SHOUT as much as you like without keeping the neighbors awake).

pj
chgo

Thank you. I'm wishing you don't post in this tread one more time. If so with your input, it'll be another CLOSED thread.

 

[BilliardsAbout]

After reading every post, I apologize for saying you were attacking every response. You only ridiculed my response, when I was trying to give you an honest answer on how feelers aim. And we do aim. It's just not as simple to describe as saying "stand here, look there, hold your cue here, then pivot or shift to there".

We aim to send the cb where it needs to be based on a head full of shots where we've put the cb where it needed to be. The explanation is that simple. There are no details to give. It'd be like asking Clayton Kershaw how he pitches so well. He'd probably say, "Oh, I've been doing it a long time, was always good at, better than average I guess. The more I practiced the better I got." Then you'd say, "That's a load of crap! What a bunch of BS! I want specifics!" And he'd look at you like you've lost your mind, then he'd politely walk away.

Yes... and no... respectfully, as there have been baseball players and players in all sports who explained the left-brain aspects of what they do, like "The science of hitting".

I can teach anyone not already a pro or semi-pro to aim. ANYONE. I totally get HAMB. But it ingrains bad habits for many.

 

[MattPoland]

To be honest other than a couple HAMB old timers, I’m not sure there are all that many HAMB-purists. The comments I see in other threads appear to be players that support their system(s) of choice trying to communicate that no matter what system you use, HAMB is in the background being fed. And when it comes time to shoot, HAMB is giving feedback to support or fight against what your system is trying telling you. But those comments aren’t an argument for or against the use of a system. It’s just a pedantic thing to bring up for discussion. Usually that’s where the thread derails.

 

[BC21]

Yes... and no... respectfully, as there have been baseball players and players in all sports who explained the left-brain aspects of what they do, like "The science of hitting".

I can teach anyone not already a pro or semi-pro to aim. ANYONE. I totally get HAMB. But it ingrains bad habits for many.

You're right about ingraining bad habits. Bad habits are created just like good ones, by repeating them over and over. Good shots are stored in our heads along with repeated missed shots. That's why it's important to pay attention to mistakes and failed attempts. By paying attention to results and adjusting what we are doing in order to get better results, we eventually replace the bad with the good. And it's not just HAMB....the brain functions this way with any aiming method or system.

 

[Valiant Thor]

Aiming

Saw PJ play recently and he is a solid 4-5 APA , I can't believe he's giveing advice on aiming. I should post a video of him playing .

 

[MattPoland]

Saw PJ play recently and he is a solid 4-5 APA , I can't believe he's giveing advice on aiming. I should post a video of him playing .

I kind of feel that anyone should feel welcome to share what they know (or think they know) in this forum regardless of playing ability. Its all up for discussion here. If someone wants to measure up playing ability, that obviously done with a cue and not a keyboard. But if someone wants to chat pool, they shouldn’t have to defend their ability just to be part of the conversation.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

You're right about ingraining bad habits. Bad habits are created just like good ones, by repeating them over and over. Good shots are stored in our heads along with repeated missed shots. That's why it's important to pay attention to mistakes and failed attempts. By paying attention to results and adjusting what we are doing in order to get better results, we eventually replace the bad with the good. And it's not just HAMB....the brain functions this way with any aiming method or system.

Sure, it's replacing the bad with the good. But are you saying players including yourself haven't reverted to bad habits or forgot what you were doing a number of years back when it was great but now mired in a slump?

The brain isn't a steel trap. We just flat out forget. The SUBCONSCIOUS and UNCONSCIOUS go on strike with a total shutdown. I don't know, maybe you're the exception to the rule who never forgets, never goes into a slump, or never misses balls.

I don't fall in that category and I've heard many a pro in all sports like pool, baseball, golf, and basketball say, "man, I'm in a terrible slump and can't seem to get out of it."

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I kind of feel that anyone should feel welcome to share what they know (or think they know) in this forum regardless of playing ability. Its all up for discussion here. If someone wants to measure up playing ability, that obviously done with a cue and not a keyboard. But if someone wants to chat pool, they shouldn’t have to defend their ability just to be part of the conversation.

I agree. But when a particular individual comes in for years acting as the highest source of knowledge in pool who gives a thumbs up or thumbs down to things he doesn't know enough about or even slightly proficient at which causes flame wars constantly, something is very wrong with that picture also. Would you agree?