Inlaid carbon fibre cues
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I am not sure how a Carbon Fibre Cue Butt Section would act if you use a tool to cut a hole to accept inlay, I think it would splinter, and open up a can of works. A decal would be no problems, and it is just basically a sticker.
was that a post to correct my word usage???
It was left in as a context clue
you minimalist
I state this because AZ has international readers, and these rarely used English words may not by common to them.
I saw a video of a pro pool player in their home country telling family to speak english for the internet and it was filmed in a country that does not speak English first. so...
raise the standard
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You could CNC inlays into cf. Go Customs has a full carbon cue.
Cocowboy
The post above helps cue seeker with how to talk to cue maker about fantasy cues.
How about carbon fiber etching with panels that can be adjusted.
accessorizing my cue stick with personal preferences would be fun. A conversation starter for sure even if it’s Polished for display
Think like cue case with patches, patches on cue grips, with customization optins
I would order ghille suit camo for my grips and a special tuxedo set for occassions
If I had a girlfriend she’d get hello kitty grips with death skulls
should just start a new thread, fantasy cues
and then send it into cue manufacturers for free research on the "market"
really hoping for a cue stick that can light up and have sequenced lighting patterns.
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Hello Justin. Seriously, they already engrave CF shafts with names and sizes. Filling these with inlays should pose no issues. Why is beyond me but that's another story.
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i get excited thinking about fantasy cues too.
I have many designs in mind.
how about a cue stick with onboard electronics for keeping score, I am thinking combining bluetooth tech and a wearable device. sensors in the cue, transmit to wrist watch.
Carbon Fibre is not wood, I would be willing to say it would be difficult to insert inlays in to it with out splintering.
Rather the cry about spelling, and punctuation. Show us you person sucess work with in laying CF, maybe you could start with something a simple a a simple dot.
I expect the first obsticles will be drilling a clean hole for the dot inlay with out splits, and debries.
how much of the cue needs to be carbon fiber?
I think the rear most of the cue is only about weight
and propose alternative materials that are more fun for aesthetics and customization
however that means the cue would have 2 joints and that is not standard now.
does a carbon fiber cue mean 100% CF or can it be 50.6% CF and the rest is whatever, but it is still called a CF cue.
FDA and CDC does that with all kinds of stuff, pringles are not potato chips they are potato crisps. its a silly thing but huge impact on bus(iness) community.
First off Carbon Fibre is not new technology, it has been around a while, over 10 - 15 years.
Second I am not an expert dealing with the material Carbon Fibre, so my experence is old school in it cheaper predesessor Fibreglass.
Had a part time job in H/S working in a plastic shop, that did all sort of things plastics, fiberglass, and all the resins, glue, etc., for what we call DYI projects 2020. That was early 60's.
We also build surfboards out of blanks of Poly Styrofoam, and also Hideosity Styrofoam. We also li acted exotic woods down the center, for stability, did wood inlays, in the building process, and last shaped custom surfboards. We started with raw blanks, and did everything start to finish.
Big money make was fining broken, or dinged up Surfboards, was very precision, you cut out old bad piece, fitted a custom new piece, and made it look like it had not been repaired.
Carbon Fibre is light, strong, and could be used in Pool Cue butts, but I expect weight bolts would be need for proper playing weight.
Have a nice pocket knife with CF Handle, it is pretty, it is cool looking, but I perfect G-10 over it as G-10 has something to grip, the CF handle is very smoothe like baby skin.
When I attempt to put sensors on my cue stick, the vibrations through the cue are a major design challenge.
I like to play with my cheap cues for science experiments.
Thanks for sharing your in depth knowledge. I don't have the practical experience, I mostly work in theory.
But this discussion is very exciting, Not the construction part, the part that you know what I am saying and describing.
I actually prefer to have the weight on the front of the cue, not the rear. Not for all shots but there are situations like a masse where I want more force up front.
In terms of your design features, where do you feel the center of mass for the cue should be?
The center of mass is important to me for dynamics with the cue ball.
I never got into the market products for cues because destroying the cue for science is a poor man's hobby.
I like to play with my cheap cues for science experiments.
Thanks for sharing your in depth knowledge. I don't have the practical experience, I mostly work in theory.
But this discussion is very exciting, Not the construction part, the part that you know what I am saying and describing.
I actually prefer to have the weight on the front of the cue, not the rear. Not for all shots but there are situations like a masse where I want more force up front.
In terms of your design features, where do you feel the center of mass for the cue should be?
The center of mass is important to me for dynamics with the cue ball.
I never got into the market products for cues because destroying the cue for science is a poor man's hobby.
My response is only a guess based on some basic knowledge of how things like carbon arrows, fishing rods, bicycle frames and other things are constructed using carbon fiber, which is usually through pultrusion, being rolled, being woven around a mandrel of some sort, being hollow formed in a mold with air pressure, etc.
All of the primary methods that I can think of off hand lead to there being a hollow cavity inside the product, and because carbon is so strong the walls of the product are generally fairly thin as well. If a pool cue butt were to be hollow and relatively thin walled, the way that inlays are done in wood butts wouldn't work well (the inlays would want to "fall through" among other problems).
There would be many ways that inlays could still be done on such a butt, but all of them would greatly increase the expense (and their structural integrity might also be an issue with some of them). You might also first have to incur significant R&D expense to develop a good method for doing it if an existing one wouldn't work well enough for this application. Another option is to just thicken the walls of the butt, but that too would greatly increase expense (not sure if it would also have undesired effects on weight or feel of the hit etc). You probably also have additional manufacturing expense because of the carbon fiber dust that would be created that you have to deal with. Cutting carbon fiber also requires extremely high speed tooling, much higher than is typically used for inlays, so the manufacturer would likely have a very large up front expense for appropriate machinery which of course would have to be passed on the the customer with appropriate price increases.
I would guess that it could all technically be done right now one way or another with added effort and expense but isn't because it would add more additional expense to the product than the market would be willing to bear.
All of the primary methods that I can think of off hand lead to there being a hollow cavity inside the product, and because carbon is so strong the walls of the product are generally fairly thin as well. If a pool cue butt were to be hollow and relatively thin walled, the way that inlays are done in wood butts wouldn't work well (the inlays would want to "fall through" among other problems).
There would be many ways that inlays could still be done on such a butt, but all of them would greatly increase the expense (and their structural integrity might also be an issue with some of them). You might also first have to incur significant R&D expense to develop a good method for doing it if an existing one wouldn't work well enough for this application. Another option is to just thicken the walls of the butt, but that too would greatly increase expense (not sure if it would also have undesired effects on weight or feel of the hit etc). You probably also have additional manufacturing expense because of the carbon fiber dust that would be created that you have to deal with. Cutting carbon fiber also requires extremely high speed tooling, much higher than is typically used for inlays, so the manufacturer would likely have a very large up front expense for appropriate machinery which of course would have to be passed on the the customer with appropriate price increases.
I would guess that it could all technically be done right now one way or another with added effort and expense but isn't because it would add more additional expense to the product than the market would be willing to bear.
most inlays of 1/2 inch wide or wider are .120-.140 in depth to allow for the curve of the cue.
Smaller inlays could be .030-.040 and still would be fine.
Carbon fiber is 1-2 mm in thickness(.039-.078 thickness).
It appears that one would need some sort of backing to inlay a carbon fiber cue. Backing would add weight which may or may not be a good thing.
I would not want to inlay into carbon fiber without some type backing below the inlay.
Smaller inlays could be .030-.040 and still would be fine.
Carbon fiber is 1-2 mm in thickness(.039-.078 thickness).
It appears that one would need some sort of backing to inlay a carbon fiber cue. Backing would add weight which may or may not be a good thing.
I would not want to inlay into carbon fiber without some type backing below the inlay.
Exactly what I was thinking. I think technically it could be done, for example by using very thin inlays with bottoms rounded to match the curvature of the cue instead of being square bottomed, or by building a thicker walled carbon butt, or by using an internal sleeve of some sort for backing that would provide the appropriate support etc, but they would all be cost prohibitive and in some cases may also come with other drawbacks that wouldn't make them feasible for other reasons aside from cost as well.
Thank you for this thoughtful intelligent response and the others like it. So it would seem that it is possible and by using a controllable man made product could take out the wood equation. Assuming a viable stable filler is used in the core of the carbon fiber itself. Then it might also be more adjustable for weight control and balance. Instead of installing weight bolts that might need to be stacked in a certain area of a cue.. I still believe we will see this at some point. Personally I think it will be effective once the R&D is all worked out.
A properly layed up solid rod of carbon fiber would not be hard to machine, one could add points with veneer,.....inlays,.....rings,..... A properly layed up solid tube would have fibers running in all 3 directions so the the machine tool cutting edges do not rip the fibers, but rather shear the fibers.
The problem is the dust generated during machining. The body has no way of removing such dust from your lungs so either the machinist wears protective equipment or you do it in a CNC enclosed machine (preferably with a bath of coolant--not for the cutting tools, but simply to flush away the dust and fibers.)
The problem is the dust generated during machining. The body has no way of removing such dust from your lungs so either the machinist wears protective equipment or you do it in a CNC enclosed machine (preferably with a bath of coolant--not for the cutting tools, but simply to flush away the dust and fibers.)
You could put a hygrometer in there while you're at it.