Inside Verses Outside English

[Rod]

I've noticed the tendacy for pool players to favor (big time) outside english. I read where some think inside is an evil. (OMG, even the thought of inside needs some special aiming system) (Far different than outside). Some even seem to think one throws more than another. While it's possible depending on angles, lets not dabble with tiny weene fractions.

Lets throw squirt and swerve out the window as well. Does it not squirt or swerve equal amounts? While we're at it lets throw different different shafts out the window to, use any shaft. Could it be the natural tendacy is to use outside? Could it be you don't know how the c/b reacts because inside is used so little? Could it be because you rarely use or practice inside?

Rod

 

[Hal]

Lets throw squirt and swerve out the window as well. Does it not squirt or swerve equal amounts? While we're at it lets throw different different shafts out the window to, use any shaft.
Rod

Let's throw Rod out the window. But seriously...Let's throw Rod out the window. I use whatever I need at the time. I do however prefer running english when cutting a ball that's frozen to the rail.

 

[vapoolplayer]

this is something i also don't really understand rod. i use center ball, inside, and outside, without really thinking about it. i just shoot the shot with whatever i need to get to where i need to be afterwards.

if i can get there with center ball, thats what i use. if i need to run the cue a little, i use outside. if i need to kill the ball or hold the angle, i use inside.

VAP

 

[Colin Colenso]

Keep in mind, that on certain angles / shots, outside English checks/kills the cue ball and Inside English makes gives the cue ball running english.

And if the cue ball approaches the rail at 90 degrees, then it's hard to know what to call it.

 

[bruin70]

so, what's your question.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Keep in mind, that on certain angles / shots, outside English checks/kills the cue ball and Inside English makes gives the cue ball running english.
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Hi Colin,

In US usage, inside and outside english have no relation whatsoever to any cushion contact. They refer only to how the cue ball rubs on the object ball. We call spins "running" or "reverse" on the cushions depending on whether the cue ball is speeded up or slowed down by the rubbing on the rail. You may want to look at the RSB FAQ glossary which covers these terms (somewhat) and tries to include the UK equivalents as well.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... Could it be the natural tendacy is to use outside? Could it be you don't know how the c/b reacts because inside is used so little? Could it be because you rarely use or practice inside? ...

Bingo. People stay with what they are comfortable with, nearly always. I had a friend who loved inside english for all fine cut shots. It's what he played with. It felt right and easy to him.

Another aspect of this is that most players never branch out into anything but their main game. Like playing some one pocket is going to ruin their nine ball. Or a little snooker is bad for their eight ball.

 

[GeraldG]

Whether I use inside English or outside English depends entirely upon where I need the cueball to go.

 

[Snapshot9]

Many people

tend to use running english because that is what they
learn first, and haven't really learned the differences
with using inside english. I see many intermediate players
using outside english because they just don't feel
comfortable with inside english. I use inside english
quite a bit more than the average player, IMO. I also
use inside english with back bank to the side pocket
than most players do.

One of the reasons I feel why this exists is because
a player becomes comfortable when they know they
can make a shot, and doesn't push the envelope to
make that shot with EVERY type of english. If you
notice the pros playing, they use what is appropriate,
and do not favor 1 or the other.

I see players all the time, that only use outside english
to make a ball frozen on the rail, when to me, it is easier
and better to make it with inside english, for shape's sake,
if nothing else.

 

[VonRhett]

I've noticed the tendacy for pool players to favor (big time) outside english.

So you've been watching novice players. Is there a question here?

 

[csf914]

cue ball reaction...

I think that on most shots the only reason for inside/outside english is for a desired reaction from the cue ball. the only shots I like to use either is banks/kicks. Cut shots IMO are easier with outside vs. inside to make. IMO it just depends on the position you are trying to play.

 

[Rod]

Let's throw Rod out the window. But seriously...Let's throw Rod out the window. I use whatever I need at the time. I do however prefer running english when cutting a ball that's frozen to the rail.

Gasp!, Throw Rod out the window. Your comment on usage of english seems normal to me.

Rod

 

[Rod]

this is something i also don't really understand rod. i use center ball, inside, and outside, without really thinking about it. i just shoot the shot with whatever i need to get to where i need to be afterwards.

if i can get there with center ball, thats what i use. if i need to run the cue a little, i use outside. if i need to kill the ball or hold the angle, i use inside.

VAP

Well VAP, I really don't understand it either. I do what you and others posted, use what you need to get whitey to point B. I just detect from posts over the years, even from some good players its like an evil. Sometimes to an extent that suggests a different method of shooting inside. No one in particular, I'm not here for that. Just an observation. I guess everyone is normal here.

Rod

 

[Jal]

I've noticed the tendacy for pool players to favor (big time) outside english. I read where some think inside is an evil....

I'll admit it, I do feel less comfortable using inside than outside. Inside does increase throw for moderate cut angles and diminishes it for larger angles, whereas outside more or less just diminishes it. Pure inside english without draw or follow does set you up for possible cling (skid). So does pure outside but the effect, if it occurs, isn't as dramatic. And for some reason I have a tendency to not compensate for squirt as well as with outside?

It may be that a few episodes of cling causes some players to shy away from it.

Jim

 

[BRKNRUN]

Keep in mind, that on certain angles / shots, outside English checks/kills the cue ball and Inside English makes gives the cue ball running english.

And if the cue ball approaches the rail at 90 degrees, then it's hard to know what to call it.

I kind of always thought of it as the exact opposite. Inside English "kills" the cue ball off the rail. Outside English "picks up speed" off the rail....(depending on the angle)


I myself am a equal opportunity english-er.......Each has its evils ......"Inside" I tend to come up short on shape..."Outside" I tend to roll long on shape......(If I don't pay attention to the shot)

 

[DaveK]

I guess everyone is normal here.

Nooo, no, no no no ... and no.

Dave, speaking for myself

I too use whatever side spin is needed for the desired cb reaction off the first rail, for the most part.

 

[Bob Jewett]

I kind of always thought of it as the exact opposite. Inside English "kills" the cue ball off the rail. Outside English "picks up speed" off the rail....(depending on the angle)
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Nope. Inside english can be either running or reverse when it gets to a cushion. It's easy to set up shots for all the cases. When you have a shot that sends an object ball along the cushion, inside follow will be running and outside draw will be running, because the draw and follow have changed the angle into the cushion before the sidespin takes.

 

[drivermaker]

I'm just kinda wondering how many people say that they prefer inside or outside english but have figured out subconsciously how to hit the CB with center more frequently. Think about it...Bob Meucci did a good bit of testing with the pros at one time and found that many of them DO NOT strike center ball even when they're trying their hardest. Because of inconsistencies in the stroke and stance, the natural tendency for most everyone is to hit either right or left of center...ESPECIALLY if you're not a pro, it's magnified.

However, the right or left offset, through knocking in thousands of balls to see what increases success, may really be more of a center ball strike and truer roll than we all realize.

 

[iusedtoberich]

I like inside english a whole lot. I am a low B and would say that I use it significantly more than other players at my speed. I especially like using it going forward and spinning off the rails. In the diagram below, I would play it with inside and a soft stroke. Most players would play it with center to outside and come straight across table with a firmer stroke. One benefit to inside is that if you are a bit off, the object ball will spin into the pocket, instead of being spit out of the pocket.

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[BRKNRUN]

Nope. Inside english can be either running or reverse when it gets to a cushion. It's easy to set up shots for all the cases. When you have a shot that sends an object ball along the cushion, inside follow will be running and outside draw will be running, because the draw and follow have changed the angle into the cushion before the sidespin takes.

Yeah...I can agree with that....

A different shot pops into my head when talking about inside / outside english...

Now that I think about it....It would depend alot on the angle / draw / follow

That's my problem though...I don't pay close enough attention to those variables and end up short or long on shots where if I took an extra two seconds to consider the effects I would get proper shape....