Interesting Comment on Scott Frosts room and pool in general

briankenobi

briankenobi

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So I was talking to a guy at Derby City this year and I noticed that he had a hat from Scott Frost's room. I have a few friends that have been there and they have nothing but rave reviews. I asked this gentleman his thoughts on the room and his response kind of supersized me but then it didn't too. He said he loved the amount of tables and quality of tables but he said that the room was too well lite and didn't have that "old school" dingy pool room feel. I was dumbfounded. I was like what? Here is a great room that is putting things in place for it to be nice. Why do some pool players not want nice things?

I had something similar happen to me at league. I tend to dress up a bit. We dress up for artistic pool and I have a reputation were I am from so I like to "dress the part." I had a nice hoodie tied around my neck and someone said to me "why are you looking like you are at a country club? Your in a bar at pool league." So apparently to some dressing nice in a pool room is bad?

And we wonder why pool isn't bigger than it is.
 
Why are you posting an intelligent post on azb?

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Some people think that their thoughts should be yours, too. I don't think it goes any deeper than that.


Jeff Livingston
 
briankenobi said:
So I was talking to a guy at Derby City this year and I noticed that he had a hat from Scott Frost's room. I have a few friends that have been there and they have nothing but rave reviews. I asked this gentleman his thoughts on the room and his response kind of supersized me but then it didn't too. He said he loved the amount of tables and quality of tables but he said that the room was too well lite and didn't have that "old school" dingy pool room feel. I was dumbfounded. I was like what? Here is a great room that is putting things in place for it to be nice. Why do some pool players not want nice things?

I had something similar happen to me at league. I tend to dress up a bit. We dress up for artistic pool and I have a reputation were I am from so I like to "dress the part." I had a nice hoodie tied around my neck and someone said to me "why are you looking like you are at a country club? Your in a bar at pool league." So apparently to some dressing nice in a pool room is bad?

And we wonder why pool isn't bigger than it is.
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Well why would you tie a hoodie around your neck and not expect to be called out for it.
 
briankenobi said:
So I was talking to a guy at Derby City this year and I noticed that he had a hat from Scott Frost's room. I have a few friends that have been there and they have nothing but rave reviews. I asked this gentleman his thoughts on the room and his response kind of supersized me but then it didn't too. He said he loved the amount of tables and quality of tables but he said that the room was too well lite and didn't have that "old school" dingy pool room feel. I was dumbfounded. I was like what? Here is a great room that is putting things in place for it to be nice. Why do some pool players not want nice things?

I had something similar happen to me at league. I tend to dress up a bit. We dress up for artistic pool and I have a reputation were I am from so I like to "dress the part." I had a nice hoodie tied around my neck and someone said to me "why are you looking like you are at a country club? Your in a bar at pool league." So apparently to some dressing nice in a pool room is bad?

And we wonder why pool isn't bigger than it is.
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What is interesting is that the guy still went and played there. So that's really all that matters. Having a "nice" and well lit room, set up with all of the technology, the way Frost has his, is to bring in the yuppie college kids from the University.

Plus, some people just like to complain. Yeah right -- the room and how you dress is just too good. Sure....ignore them.
 
Wear these next time and you'll be the bees knees.
 

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briankenobi said:
So I was talking to a guy at Derby City this year and I noticed that he had a hat from Scott Frost's room. I have a few friends that have been there and they have nothing but rave reviews. I asked this gentleman his thoughts on the room and his response kind of supersized me but then it didn't too. He said he loved the amount of tables and quality of tables but he said that the room was too well lite and didn't have that "old school" dingy pool room feel. I was dumbfounded. I was like what? Here is a great room that is putting things in place for it to be nice. Why do some pool players not want nice things?

I had something similar happen to me at league. I tend to dress up a bit. We dress up for artistic pool and I have a reputation were I am from so I like to "dress the part." I had a nice hoodie tied around my neck and someone said to me "why are you looking like you are at a country club? Your in a bar at pool league." So apparently to some dressing nice in a pool room is bad?

And we wonder why pool isn't bigger than it is.
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I think there is a "need" to have some places be dark and dingy, same way it's nice to see some 70 yr old black guy dressed in a black suit and hat smoking a cigar and playing blues on the streets of New Orleans of Chicago. Losing history and making everything perfect and new is bad.

On the other hand, complaining that something is "too nice" because of the thing it is, is not good either. You don't say that a new BMW is too clean, and you don't complain that a 70s VW bus is "too dirty".
 
hang-the-9 said:
I think there is a "need" to have some places be dark and dingy, same way it's nice to see some 70 yr old black guy dressed in a black suit and hat smoking a cigar and playing blues on the streets of New Orleans of Chicago. Losing history and making everything perfect and new is bad.

On the other hand, complaining that something is "too nice" because of the thing it is, is not good either. You don't say that a new BMW is too clean, and you don't complain that a 70s VW bus is "too dirty".
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I agree to a point. But take the history of pool back even further and it was a game played by royalty. Having those "old school" pool rooms are cool to have around but they are really just for the people who go there. It doesn't elevate the game or try to make pool a mainstream sport.
 
Imagine a golfer saying, "this course is way too nice. I hardly saw one damn ball mark on the greens. And there's hardly any crabgrass at all."
 
briankenobi said:
So I was talking to a guy at Derby City this year and I noticed that he had a hat from Scott Frost's room. I have a few friends that have been there and they have nothing but rave reviews. I asked this gentleman his thoughts on the room and his response kind of supersized me but then it didn't too. He said he loved the amount of tables and quality of tables but he said that the room was too well lite and didn't have that "old school" dingy pool room feel. I was dumbfounded. I was like what? Here is a great room that is putting things in place for it to be nice. Why do some pool players not want nice things?

I had something similar happen to me at league. I tend to dress up a bit. We dress up for artistic pool and I have a reputation were I am from so I like to "dress the part." I had a nice hoodie tied around my neck and someone said to me "why are you looking like you are at a country club? Your in a bar at pool league." So apparently to some dressing nice in a pool room is bad?

And we wonder why pool isn't bigger than it is.
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wearing hoodie = country club look? :smile: :D :smile:
 
KAP1976 said:
Imagine a golfer saying, "this course is way too nice. I hardly saw one damn ball mark on the greens. And there's hardly any crabgrass at all."[/QUOTE]
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Rack this table....you just drilled the money ball dead center into the pocket! :)
I'm guessing the majority of pool players are still living vicariously off 1961 and re-runs of the movie "Hustler". Even the ones who're old enough to have lived that era still long for the "good ole days" (I lived through those days and I didn't think it was all that great).
A major reason why pool will remain as a game for second class citizens, in my opinion.
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briankenobi said:
I agree to a point. But take the history of pool back even further and it was a game played by royalty. Having those "old school" pool rooms are cool to have around but they are really just for the people who go there. It doesn't elevate the game or try to make pool a mainstream sport.
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My son is actually doing his senior project on billiards and that is one of the things he is talking about, how it started out as a high class game, and even as late as the 60s it was played by people in suits, never mind the grand halls of the early 1900s with huge open areas, wood flooring, chandeliers, top hats, etc..
 
I always thought it was best to have the table well lit and the area around it not so much for some contrast? Maybe this was his thinking but didn't know how to express it properly?

Kind of like pool rooms during the day. You need dark blinds to keep the sun from coming through the windows. If sun comes in, the room is just too bright.
 
Some pool players (maybe it's mostly older guys), like the feel and atmosphere of a hall with low level lighting and that old school feel. That does not necessarily mean that it is not nice. It was those types of places that many of us learned to play and came to love the game.
 
hang-the-9 said:
My son is actually doing his senior project on billiards and that is one of the things he is talking about, how it started out as a high class game, and even as late as the 60s it was played by people in suits, never mind the grand halls of the early 1900s with huge open areas, wood flooring, chandeliers, top hats, etc..
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Well, he shouldn't skip over other aspects of early billiards. If he's really interested in the history, he should get a copy of the William Hendricks book mentioned below. Here is a post from almost 20 years ago to RSB.

If you're squeamish, skip this.

The following post has several purposes:

To satisfy Daniel's blood lust. The following will have to suffice
until Steven Spielberg does "Rambo Meets Mackey."

To alert you to one of the best-researched surveys of cue sports
history, namely "William Hendricks' History of Billiards,"
subtitled "A Compleat Historie of Billiards Evolution With Numerous
Illustrations," published by the author in 1974.

To give European, Asian and other "foreign" RSB readers some
insight to the American approach to the sport.

To demonstrate that the US has, in fact, made great progress in
cleaning up the game, contrary to other views expressed here.

The following is from page 14 of Hendricks' "History" in the section
titled "The Eighteenth Century: Billiards for Everyman."

[billiards still expensive ...] Even when the affluent did not wish
to mingle, the less-wealthy colonists could be obstreperously
democratic when it came to billiards. A horrified British officer
describes a 1780 dispute at colonial billiards between a gentleman
and "a low fellow" at a public table.

I shall relate the way the accident happened, to shew the
ferociousness of the lower class in this country; this gentleman
was at play in the billiard-room, where there were a number of
gentlemen and several of our officers: a low fellow, who
pretends to gentility came in, and in the course of play, some
words arose, in which he first wantonly abused [the gentleman]
and afterward ... flew at him, and in an instant turned his eye
out of the socket, and while it hung upon his cheek, the fellow
was barbarous enough to endeavor to pluck it entirely out, but
was prevented.(*)

(*) From Jane Carson's "Colonial Virginians at Play," University
Press of Virginia, 1964, p. 85.

I understand that this sort of thing never happens at the U.S. Open
in Virginia Beach, even when Earl is present.

Bob Jewett
 
I have nostalgia for a place from my youth. High tin covered ceilings, belt driven ceiling fans, creaky wood floors, the only lights were over the tables, pop machine, candy machine, cigarette machine and an old manual cash register to collect the $1.10 an hour for the tables....but that place was dead and only kept open by the owners widow, her social security and the few of us who even knew it was still open. It was already doomed in 1972.

You can't go back. It's a different age we live in. For example, back then nobody dangled a hoodie around their neck and thought he was dressed up.


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A lot of people just simply hate change but I bet even those types would check out Scott's room if they were in the area. How people dress has nothing to do with who they are or how they act or how they play anything. There are just as many if not more people wearing high end suits that have terrible morals just as bad as the most rotten pool player.

How pool players dress (short of them wearing anything gang related) or what they have to say (even Earl) has nothing to do with how unpopular pool is. I sell shoes and clothes for a living and what someone wears (Walmart or Neiman Marcus) has nothing to do with their morality or who they are, it's more so about who they want to appear to be. I have probably around 300 collared higher end shirts and never wear any of them because they they feel very restrictive.
 
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