Interesting shot....maybe you've heard of it.

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henho

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The cueball and 8 ball are both straight in, maybe 1 half an inch away from the short cushion at the head of the table. The 9ball is in the middle of the opposite short cushion at the end of the table. How do you make the 8 and get shape on the 9?


Hit down into the 8 so that the cueball bounces up ON TOP of the cushion, rolls off of it and down table for position on the 9. Try it! :D
 
henho said:
The cueball and 8 ball are both straight in, maybe 1 half an inch away from the short cushion at the head of the table. The 9ball is in the middle of the opposite short cushion at the end of the table. How do you make the 8 and get shape on the 9?


Hit down into the 8 so that the cueball bounces up ON TOP of the cushion, rolls off of it and down table for position on the 9. Try it! :D
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Or, a more realistic shot.. Jack up a little, play an off the rail shot on the 8with a sharp stroke, following two rails for position.. If the 8 ball jaws out, it has a chance to end up in the middle of the end rail, or, you could wobble out and end up going in the corner pocket, like a One Pocket takeout..

Either way, I think it's a higher percentage shot..

(And just for accuracy, this is a jump shot. What happens with your shot is the cue ball lands first ON TOP of the 8 ball, then bounces off the 8 ball onto the rail. I shot this shot once in a game of last pocket 8 ball, when a guy soft broke on me.. You can't make this shot without a jump stroke..)

Russ
 
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Russ Chewning said:
Or, a more realistic shot.. Jack up a little, play an off the rail shot on the 8with a sharp stroke, following two rails for position.. If the 8 ball jaws out, it has a chance to end up in the middle of the end rail, or, you could wobble out and end up going in the corner pocket, like a One Pocket takeout..

Either way, I think it's a higher percentage shot..

(And just for accuracy, this is a jump shot. What happens with your shot is the cue ball lands first ON TOP of the 8 ball, then bounces off the 8 ball onto the rail. I shot this shot once in a game of last pocket 8 ball, when a guy soft broke on me.. You can't make this shot without a jump stroke..)

Russ
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I've made both shots as well but I'm curious as to why I would want to jack up a little when going rail first?
 
henho said:
The cueball and 8 ball are both straight in, maybe 1 half an inch away from the short cushion at the head of the table. The 9ball is in the middle of the opposite short cushion at the end of the table. How do you make the 8 and get shape on the 9?


Hit down into the 8 so that the cueball bounces up ON TOP of the cushion, rolls off of it and down table for position on the 9. Try it! :D
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Very difficult to do without SOME angle.
But, yes, that is a very cool shot indeed and I didn't even see that shot until a couple of years ago. I was thinking, "OK the rules have now changed."
 
You didnt say how far apart the 2 balls are..... if they have room for a follow through, strike about 2-2:30 on the cueball. If the balls are too close to have a decent follow through, elevate about 75 degrees and shoot the shot at 3:30-4 on the cueball to masse the cb down table.
Hopping the cb as you suggested.... well.... playing for fun it would be a nice fun shot if it works for ya :) For tournaments etc, it would constitute that you have your head examined afterwards...... :D
Chuck
 
Luxury said:
I've made both shots as well but I'm curious as to why I would want to jack up a little when going rail first?
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Depending on how far the 8 is from the pocket, might need to be jacked up a little to get more spin...

Russ
 
RiverCity said:
You didnt say how far apart the 2 balls are..... if they have room for a follow through, strike about 2-2:30 on the cueball. If the balls are too close to have a decent follow through, elevate about 75 degrees and shoot the shot at 3:30-4 on the cueball to masse the cb down table.
Hopping the cb as you suggested.... well.... playing for fun it would be a nice fun shot if it works for ya :) For tournaments etc, it would constitute that you have your head examined afterwards...... :D
Chuck
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Well, any shot can be made a high percentage shot if you practice it enough... I have personally shot a version of this shot, for pretty decent money.

I was playing Last Pocket 8 Ball, and the bet was about $60.00 a game at this point. I had been running out from under the kitchen table, and my opponent soft broke on me, leaving me just to the side of the stack. One ball had separated from the stack on that side, with MAYbe 4-5 degrees of angle into the corner pocket.

I had just read abut Bucktooth's jump shot in this situation the week before, recognized the shot, executed it, and got out for the cash.. To get out when only two balls total had separated from the stack had totally broke my opponent down, and he went downhill from there.

It's a good shot to have in your repetoire. Don't discount it. This is the sort of phenomenal shot you only have to pull out of the bag once in awhile, but is devastating when you do.

Russ
 
Maybe this will help:

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The cueball and the 8 ball are dead straight in a fraction of an inch from the short rail. The 8 ball is at the other end of the table, frozen to the middle of the foot rail. How do you get shape on the 9?

Hit the cueball with a light jump shot stroke (as Russ pointed out), jumping it on top of the 8, hard enough that the cueball will actually bounce off of the surface of the table and up onto the short rail, from where it will roll down to the opposite end of the table for position.

Sure this shot is more of a party trick than a masterful position play. But its not that hard to pull off, and in the rare circumstance that you are dead straight in, without any pocket to cheat, and with just the right amount of beer riding on the outcome, it may be your best shot selection.
 
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henho said:
Maybe this will help:
editing a small retardation in my wei table drawing....stay tuned for updat shortly.
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Probably because of the incorrect angle of the cue ball path? Or that it would be easier to get to the 9 if the 8 ball was closer to the other side of the table? Not a problem, as if you hit the jump shot with a good bit of draw, you'll back off the shallow angle of the 8 ball and get to that same spot on the 9..

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
Well, any shot can be made a high percentage shot if you practice it enough... I have personally shot a version of this shot, for pretty decent money.

Russ
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With the balls 12-14" apart as pictured and 1/2" off the rail, I can force follow and expect to get on the 9 ball probably 6-8 times out of 10 (would be more for a higher level player). How many times could a person expect to hop the cueball onto the rail rubber and roll down table for the leave?
Im betting without practicing it....... 1 in 20+, with practice 1-4 times out of 10. The percentage is too low, I dont know anyone who could make it a high percentage shot.
Mike Massey would probably be the best bet, and Im betting he could only get it 6-7 times out of 10. And thats giving him credit for his extraordinary abilities.
And for clarification, Im talking about a good leave on the 9..... not just keeping the cb on the table and getting it past the side somewhere closer to the 9.
I just dont see why it should be looked upon as anything but a nice little novelty shot when playing with friends.
Chuck
 
Yeah, with extreme top right, as shown in the diagram, you can easily get the cueball up past the side do have a good cut on the 9 ball. I would rather play safe than try to bounce the cueball off the top of the rail for position. If the cueball flies off the table you lose the game.
 
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