iowa state results?

I have to agree with mike.

Masters, Semi pro players, great players....whatever you want to call them want to compete with other good players. It makes the winning and losing that much better. If you win you can brag for a year, if you lose you lost to the best so how can you really be upset.

IMHO add the money you add to the pro-am to the master singles/team events and make people want/try to move up in levels.
 
My opinion won't matter much, but I'll state it anyway.

Moving back to 3 divisions (by eliminating the elites) is a step in the wrong direction. The ISPA should be aimed at developing players at all skill levels and giving them all a venue in which to effectively compete. There is a HUGE discrepancy between L1/L2/M/E players.

You could walk into the convention center and pick any two random people...and have one person that can't run 5 balls and another that can run 5 racks. The person that can't run 5 balls would quit after year 1 if they had to compete against the latter.

The same could be said for the current master having to compete with an elite. All the current masters want is their fair shot at winning a state title, but they will not get it because the masters of old (now elites) are back to win those titles again.

BTW, is Dustin the masters champion or is Dwaine? Did I get 5-6th in the masters or 3rd?
 
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SKUNKBOY said:
Most of the questions have been answered...thanks Mark and Scott for your input as well as Mike.

The official results will be post by the end of the week on the ISPA web site. all of the staff is basically trying to recover from this past week. It takes a lot of time and effort to pull off a 5 day tournament and it really makes it tough on those that work behind the scenes because they are all volunteers...remember that next time you see one and tell them thanks, they'll appreciate the kind words.

As far as Dwaine being moved back to the Masters...prior to this years event, anyone could request to be reclassified to a lower Division if they played and did not finish in the money for two years. With the new point system that we have adopted, the new minimum time is three years because the skill level is based more on consistancy.

Someone remarked something about the Elite Division. Well, that might be changing as well. We were very disappointed this year about the outside participation in our Elite Event. When we created the Elite Event, we thought throwing large amounts of cash would bring road players to our tournament like flies to sh....you know. But it didn't. So we will consider weather to continue an Elite event or allow our ISPA Elites to play in the Masters Events. If it's the latter, we'll need to change something to even out the field...shorter races or handicaps have been suggested...we'll see.

The deal about the Elites being allowed to participate in the Masters Division this year was voted on by the Board of Directors last June (2008) at the annual meeting. As far as being promoted...talk to you League operator, that's his/her job. I believe they all failed that portion of their jobs this year.

Please visit our ISPA web site for other information...

L8R...Ken
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You guys ran a first class tournament this year and every year. It has come along way from when I started playing in it 10 years ago. It is the highlight of my year of pool. Thanks to all of you that run around and have to deal with the stupid questions that us players ask you guys.
 
I now understand why Jesse skipped town before the pro am!!!!! That is crazy money!:wink:
 
r.j.c.33 said:
i now understand why jesse skipped town before the pro am!!!!! That is crazy money!:wink:
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alright!! We had a another awesome weekend at white diamond billiards--6722 johnston st--lafayette, la 70503--3379899889---louisiana 9-ball open was held this weekend april4th and 5th--we had a full field of 128, with 29 players waiting on the alternate list(which we were able to fit in 6 on the list) total tournament payout was $43,350.00(with 2 calcuttas) tournament ended sunday night at 12 midnight!!
1st place--jesse boweman--$15,173.00
2nd-chip compton--$7596.00
3rd-joey gray--$5630.00
4th-nick vita--$3977.00
5th-6th-josh hillard and ricky p--$2714.00 each
7th-8th-gary aboud and nick martin--$1517.00 each
9th-12th--david parker
john hennessy
barry strickland
david g. $628.00 each
 
mikeiniowa said:
Let's hope this is the end of the elite tourney. Drawing out of state players for a big prize fund isnt working and neither is taking the added money and giving to those players that do show up. I hope that money can be put to better use in the other tourneys.

Having the best players that qualify play in the masters event is the only way to go. Maybe a better way to do it is to have a level 1 tourney like valley.

I havent heard the better master players complain about the pro speed players in the master events and myself feel that the exclusion of those players lessens the win. It is as if an asterisk is attached to it.

Let the elites play in the masters, make them qualify and NO handicapping
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Agreed on all points. One point that no one brings up is the fact that the elite tournament starts on Friday night and then is continued during or after the team events. I had a bye, and then played a match that got over at 1am. My next match was on Saturday afternoon, and the last two were on Sunday. There were 10 players in the tournament and I had to stay two nights in a hotel (which turned into 3 because of the weather). I can't get on any kind of a roll, and am coming in cold three separate times. I did not have set match times except for the first night because of the fact that I was waiting for other players to be available.

I truly think that the ISPA "elite" players, in spite of the added money, are getting punished for getting their game to that level. I have brought this up many times before, but I'll keep saying it until the system improves.
 
mosconiac said:
My opinion won't matter much, but I'll state it anyway.

Moving back to 3 divisions (by eliminating the elites) is a step in the wrong direction. The ISPA should be aimed at developing players at all skill levels and giving them all a venue in which to effectively compete. There is a HUGE discrepancy between L1/L2/M/E players.

You could walk into the convetion center and pick any two random people...and have one person that can't run 5 balls and another that can run 5 racks. The person that can't run 5 balls would quit after year 1 if they had to compete against the latter.

The same could be said for the current master having to compete with an elite. All the current masters want is their fair shot at winning a state title, but they will not get it because the masters of old (now elites) are back to win those titles again.

BTW, is Dustin the masters champion or is Dwaine? Did I get 5-6th in the masters or 3rd?
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Mark, congrats on your fine finish. I think you under estimate your fellow Master players. I don't understand why everyone thinks they are owed a STATE TITLE...With the possible exception of a few guys that basically play pool for a living, or did at one time, (Jesse B, Chad V, Josh J, and Whitey) I really don't think there should be an elite classification. Everybody else in this state is HUMAN.:) I mean if I win I would like it to mean something! I know players like Kevin McCombs, John Rozmus, Tony Bringman, Jamie Fenton, Jamie Bowman, etc. are good players but IMHO they should not be elevated to Elite status. They have jobs, kids, other interests than pool and are all beatable on any given day by plenty of Master players. Mark, would you consider yourself an ELITE and continue going to tourneys where you had to spot Master players if you had won this year? All I'm trying to say is there ought to be a way handicap ait a little bit for the TRUE ELITES without punishing the guy who had a good run one year.

Thanks, Scott
 
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SnapdaNine said:
Mark, congrats on your fine finish. I think you under estimate your fellow Master players. I don't understand why everyone thinks they are owed a STATE TITLE...With the possible exception of a few guys that basically play pool for a living, or did at one time, (Jesse B, Chad V, Josh J, and Whitey) I really don't think there should be an elite classification. Everybody else in this state is HUMAN.:) I mean if I win I would like it to mean something! I know players like Kevin McCombs, John Rozmus, Tony Bringman, Jamie Fenton, Jamie Bowman, etc. are good players but IMHO they should not be elevated to Elite status. They have jobs, kids, other interests than pool and are all beatable on any given day by plenty of Master players. Mark, would you consider yourself an ELITE and continue going to tourneys where you had to spot Master players if you had won this year? All I'm trying to say is there ought to be a way handicap ait a little bit for the TRUE ELITES without punishing the guy who had a good run one year.

Thanks, Scott
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Yeah I agree Scott one of the highlites of the year for me is to play against the "Elite" players at state. But there are exceptions, like last year I drew a tough bracket at VNEA I beat tony bringman then I beat geoff rice and then they had the re-draw the four losers on my side of the bracket were Kitto, Fenton, frieders and me yeah I had a good run up untill that point but being a father of two with a 40+ hour a week job and wife YADA YADA YADA you know that no matter how much luck I have that it will run out eventualy. All I am saying is that no I dont think I deserve a state title, I just want my fair shot at it without feeling like I am being punished for having a family life outside of pool. :D
 
SnapdaNine said:
alright!! We had a another awesome weekend at white diamond billiards--6722 johnston st--lafayette, la 70503--3379899889---louisiana 9-ball open was held this weekend april4th and 5th--we had a full field of 128, with 29 players waiting on the alternate list(which we were able to fit in 6 on the list) total tournament payout was $43,350.00(with 2 calcuttas) tournament ended sunday night at 12 midnight!!
1st place--jesse boweman--$15,173.00
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This is totally misleading and the reason tournament results should be kept separate from calcutta money. There were 2 calcuttas. How much did he Jesse sell for and what percentage did he actually get??

It was a great tournament I would only suggest that when posting results keep the different amounts separate.

I know you were only quoting Scott but I just find this a bit misleading is all.
 
Robroy said:
I remember that event, I went and had a booth there one year. Do you know how many players did they have this year?

Robin Dodson
http://www.robindodson.com/Brunswick_Raffle.htm
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Robin,

I remember the year you were there. That was in Waterloo. We may be 'courting' you again in the future to see if you might be interested in doing a booth again.

This year, as I heard, we had nearly 1800 players in nearly 3000 different event matches. So at any time during the 5 day event, you might see more than 1000 players walking around...and a lot of them brought money to spend on pool related items.

See you sometime I'm sure...Ken
 
Very simple solution to the "Elite" division. Call the true elites what they are...Professionals. There are a limited few, that have been mentioned earlier in this thread, that play at a different level than everyone else. Afterall, the State tournament is supposed to be an "amateur" event, right?
 
Mike B. said:
Very simple solution to the "Elite" division. Call the true elites what they are...Professionals. There are a limited few, that have been mentioned earlier in this thread, that play at a different level than everyone else. Afterall, the State tournament is supposed to be an "amateur" event, right?
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Mike,

I wouldn't have a problem with that...however, what definition would you use to describe and differentiate an amatuer from a professional? Used to be, the BCA defined a 'professional' as anyone who earned $xxx playing pool. I'd go along with that, but how do you know how much any particular player earns?

I have always liked to describe our levels as schools...Level 2 is Elementary School (just starting out), Level 1 is High Schoo (learning and tweaking everything), Masters is College (have learn how to do it all) and Elites is career (time to move on). The only problem is that we raise a Master who has won the Masters Division to an Elite and as has been mentioned here by others (which I have to agree with) some of those are not and cannot be considered Pros.

Lots to think about and discuss within the ISPA.

L8R...Ken
 
Move to ISPA web site

OK all of you ISPA members that are posting your opinions here...let's move this Elite discussion to the ISPA web site. I can better utilize the information if it is on that site. I have created a thread about the Elite Division as a subject.

Please continue to post on this site, but do it there as well.

Thanks for your help...Ken
 
SKUNKBOY said:
Robin,

I remember the year you were there. That was in Waterloo. We may be 'courting' you again in the future to see if you might be interested in doing a booth again.

This year, as I heard, we had nearly 1800 players in nearly 3000 different event matches. So at any time during the 5 day event, you might see more than 1000 players walking around...and a lot of them brought money to spend on pool related items.

See you sometime I'm sure...Ken
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Keep me posted I'm interested in venturing out.

Robin
 
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