Ipods???

AlterEgo said:
Mike,

I don't think that's logical - hearing reduction due to headphone use is intentional and reversible, physical hearing impairment is neither.

Just a thought.

Yes, I agree. By logical leap, I meant "leap of logic," which means not logical.

I should have said it was a logical jump shot.

mike page
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mikepage said:
Yes, I agree. By logical leap, I meant "leap of logic," which means not logical.

I should have said it was a logical jump shot.

mike page
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Gotcha. :D
 
An iPod will play mp3 files.. It supports mp3, AAC, AIFF (Apple Lossless), uncompressed WAV, and the newer ones play mp4 video.

And the problem using a site such as allofmp3.com and mp3search.ru, is that you can choose your bitrate, but you only get what they've got. For example, I might want 192kbps WMA, but they've only got it in 128kbps mp3. They'll give you the larger WMA file, but you will only get 128kbps MP3 (which is terrible).. plus they still charge you for the extra file size. I do all my stuff at 320kbps AAC, which is as close to the original as you can possibly get (short of lossless, which is around 800kbps (CD-DA is 1440kbps)).
 
SnakePool said:
The last person I watched, whom was deaf, was Shane from SD. HE never lost a beat on the table or from his opponent. I would assume that a deaf person would pay more attention to the game and his opponent.
Exactly. Ike Runnels uses earplugs when he plays, too. Shane and Ike played last May in Vegas for 3rd / 4th in the Master's division. Neither said a word and they had a *fantastic* match. Ike, using his soft break, was up four games to none. Shane then won six out of the next eight games, putting the score at six to six. They traded safties for a while, and Shane made a fantastic jumpshot on the two ball to run out his group and win the match.
 
Love it. Another inpersonal devise. I guess people don't want to acknowledge or pay attention to other people anymore.

Went into a party store the other day. The person behind the counter was on a cell phone. I had $13.27 worth of stuff. The person never said hi or talked to me. I gave him $23.27 expecting back a ten spot. I got back $5. I said "HEY!!! I gave you $23.27." He smiled and gave me another $10. I looked, waved and left. Tuff luck buddy. If he wasn't so busy with his phone call he would got his money back. Love it.

I tried wearing earplugs to drown out some of the loud music being played. For some reason the cue does not feel the same when wearing them. I don't hear the contact and seem to start hitting the ball harder. I guess it depends on what you get use to.
 
Ktown D said:
Pete Townshend can blame earphones if he wants to, but anyone who plays concerts for 35 years is bound to go deaf. They once held the record for the loudest decibel level ever at a musical performance (by design I might add). Ain't no Ipod gonna hand out the ass whippin his ears have taken.

Guiness Book of Records - 127 decibels. Equivalent to standing on a runway and hearing a 747 take off.

Barbara~~~used to memorize that book
 
1-pocket-player said:
What do you use? I hate Ipods as well. I have an Iriver h10 20gb and think it is much better than the Ipods my friends have. I have also heard good things about the Zen mp3 players.

-Andy
for small get around stuff, i use a 2gb iaudio, with 45 hours on one AA,,,,and a 1gb iriver with the same battery life.

for larger,,,,i have a 20gb toshiba f20 at 14hrs per charge and makes the ubiquitous ipod look mundane, and an older toshibs g21 that is the best plyer ever designed, imo.
 
MarkJS said:
An iPod will play mp3 files.. It supports mp3, AAC, AIFF (Apple Lossless), uncompressed WAV, and the newer ones play mp4 video.

And the problem using a site such as allofmp3.com and mp3search.ru, is that you can choose your bitrate, but you only get what they've got. For example, I might want 192kbps WMA, but they've only got it in 128kbps mp3. They'll give you the larger WMA file, but you will only get 128kbps MP3 (which is terrible).. plus they still charge you for the extra file size. I do all my stuff at 320kbps AAC, which is as close to the original as you can possibly get (short of lossless, which is around 800kbps (CD-DA is 1440kbps)).
With all these formats you mentioned, is there a good place to get up to speed for a potential first time buyer for a unit (whether iPOD or MP3)?
 
alpine9430 said:
With all these formats you mentioned, is there a good place to get up to speed for a potential first time buyer for a unit (whether iPOD or MP3)?
Just buy an iPod. Then you're up to speed. :-)

There are really three formats, mainly: MP3, AAC, WMA. The first is played everywhere. The second is for the iPod, primarily. The third is for "Windows Media" devices. The iPod, of course, works on Macs and PCs. WMA stuff usually only on PCs (the controlled stuff particularly). Geeks want OGG, but don't worry about OGG. It's not a factor.

Part of the reason many use the iPod is because it integrates so well with iTunes, which is also cross-platofrm. Download a free copy to see if you like it for yourself at apple.com/itunes/download.
 
TheBook said:
I tried wearing earplugs to drown out some of the loud music being played. For some reason the cue does not feel the same when wearing them. I don't hear the contact and seem to start hitting the ball harder. I guess it depends on what you get use to.
I just finished reading (well, a month or two ago) some studies dealing with golfers and feel, and they found that 50% to 90% of "feel" was actually hearing, not the vibrations golfers got in their hands, arms, etc. when striking a golf ball.

Golfers, good ones anyway, care very much how their driver (in particular) sounds when they tee off. The composite drivers (carbon/titanium blends) seen in recent years have a "muffled" sound that lead many to outright believe that they don't go as far because the sound isn't as "explosive" or "crisp" or "powerful." It's muted and "muffled." That then gets into psyche and confidence and whatnot, but the simple fact (and the point of my post) remains: feel is more sound (hearing) than actual feel (tactile).
 
iacas said:
Just buy an iPod. Then you're up to speed. :-)

There are really three formats, mainly: MP3, AAC, WMA. The first is played everywhere. The second is for the iPod, primarily. The third is for "Windows Media" devices. The iPod, of course, works on Macs and PCs. WMA stuff usually only on PCs (the controlled stuff particularly). Geeks want OGG, but don't worry about OGG. It's not a factor.

Part of the reason many use the iPod is because it integrates so well with iTunes, which is also cross-platofrm. Download a free copy to see if you like it for yourself at apple.com/itunes/download.
Thanks for enlightening me.
I will have to look into one.
 
iacas said:
I just finished reading (well, a month or two ago) some studies dealing with golfers and feel, and they found that 50% to 90% of "feel" was actually hearing, not the vibrations golfers got in their hands, arms, etc. when striking a golf ball.

Golfers, good ones anyway, care very much how their driver (in particular) sounds when they tee off. The composite drivers (carbon/titanium blends) seen in recent years have a "muffled" sound that lead many to outright believe that they don't go as far because the sound isn't as "explosive" or "crisp" or "powerful." It's muted and "muffled." That then gets into psyche and confidence and whatnot, but the simple fact (and the point of my post) remains: feel is more sound (hearing) than actual feel (tactile).

Interesting. Do you know where you saw those studies?

Ron Shepard (from RSB) has been saying something similar for years. Here is an exerpt from one of Ron's posts from years ago:

****
I got some water in one of my ears while swimming a few years ago. *There was
no infection, no physical damage to my ear, no dizzyness, it was just water
that got trapped in some ear wax. *The doctor gave me some ear drops to slowly
dissolve the wax and told me that it would take a couple of weeks for
everything to clear up. *During that time, I was almost totally deaf in that
ear. *At first, I couldn't tell directions, and I had trouble hearing most
low-volume sounds.

I was playing pool regularly in tournaments and leagues, and something that
surprised me was that my speed control was completely gone. *I had trouble
shooting and getting the ball to stop at the right end of the table. *Soft
shots, hard shot, and everything in between were just out of control.

I realized that I had been using the sound of the tip hitting the ball, and of
the stick vibrating afterwards, as feedback in my speed control. *Without this
feedback, I had lost my speed control. *After a week, I started to compensate
and started to get my speed control back. *I was hoping that when my ear
cleared up, I would suddenly have "super" speed control. *Of course, it didn't
work that way. *When my ear cleared up after a couple of weeks, I was pretty
much just back to normal.

I learned from this how important the sound is to my subconscious feedback
mechanisms. *I did not realize this before. *I believe that there are some
players who could go through this same kind of thing without their games being
affected at all. *They don't use the sound feedback, so if they lost it
temporarily, it would have no affect on their games. *I also believe that if I
had played longer this way, I could have adjusted to the loss. *There is other
feedback for speed control, visually and from the vibrations that you feel, and
all of these give you some reduncancy.

Because much of this is subconscious, it may not be clear to an individual
player exactly what kinds of feedback are important. *One of the local players
here, who makes cues too, told me once that the best way to determine what kind
of stick is best for you is to play with it when you are in a slump, and to see
how long it takes to get back in stroke. *It doesn't matter how well you can
play with it for just a couple of hours. *If you are in stroke, you can play
with anything for a short period of time and play well. *But when you get in a
slump, your mind is looking for the necessary feedback in order to get back in
stroke. *The best stick for you is the one that gives you that necessary
feedback at the optimal levels. *It is likely that the best stick, by this
measure, is different for each player. *This is why a "good hit" is so
subjective.

****


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mikepage said:
Interesting. Do you know where you saw those studies?
One of the golf magazines. Golf Digest or Golf Magazine, most likely.

I remember something about people earmuffing Tiger Woods and having him hit balls of different compressions, and how surprising it was that he could still identify the balls. Most people rely entirely on the sound.

Even still, a Google search for "sound hearing golf swing" or "sound feel golf" doesn't turn up a very limited list of results, so...
 
There are 2 deaf english men on the IPT and they play fantastic! But to compare the hearing impaired with the intentional use of drowning you out is a different matter. Knowing that someone is deaf before the match would ensure that you are in their line of sight to get their attention and that they are responding back to you that they understand what you are saying. To be muffled by music and headphones by choice is rude in a match. It's kind of like putting someone on your ignore list, you are just tuning them out purposely.

I know for you audiophiles, you won't like this suggestion, but there is a program called Diet MP3 that shrinks files so more fit into your iPod. It's a free downloadable program and I think you can control the rate of compression. Just throwing it out there for people who want/need more quantity and are willing to give up some quality.
 
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