IPT night -- a review from being there

frankncali

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Okay so I was able to attend the IPT night live and thought that I would give my perspective from being there after reading the posts of those watching at home.

First off it was put together a little better than the first. Not as long of a wait to be seated and we were inside rather than grouped up in the parking lot again. IPT staff is always nice.

Almost exact setup inside the studio. Same hardass bleachers cramming everyone together. Same girl moving everyone around and placing people.

The Sigel/Schmidt match was a fun one to watch. Both guys were talkative and open with their thoughts. I thought Sigel showed much more respect to John than I thought he would.
In the studio they playback some of the earlier recorded interviews. Even then Sigel kind of rolled his eyes and laughed about some of his remarks.

Good play for the poor layouts. They were blasting the break shots with no movement at all. John, IMO had the worst luck during the match and
missed two balls that he shouldnt have missed. Thats all it took for Sigel.

After the match around the studio Mike was still being gracious about the win saying that he knew that he was only one miss away from losing. This wasn't on camera or anything this was to anyone and everyone. I'm talking in the bathroom to outside. He talked well about John and the match..... not once really being an ass and bragging.

Next there was a break followed byt the reason that we don't have live pool.
The 8 ball match was the slowest pool I have ever seen. ONly thing that made it bareable (if it really was) had to be that Grady came and sat with us in the bleachers. He was commentating there !!!!!!
It was awesome. Grady was very open and even a few times changed his thoughts or agreed with some of the watchers. He explained a few things and was in shock that this was going to be a race to 15 at this pace.

Both players seemed lost playing eight ball or either the cloth/setting shook them a bit. Tony could bore a mortician. I am not sure how it came across on the Net but it was terriblly slow.
In the stands we were all counting out Tonys break setup routine and the numbers of practice strokes. I counted 42 as the high but it could have been higher. Interestingly the best break came after only 3 minutes of wiggling into the stance and then 12 practice strokes!:D

Tony also seemed to be limping a bit. Not sure if that is normal or not. Instead of using his right foot/toes he would anchor the heel of the right foot and raise the toe portion straight up. Does he have an issue with that foot. He shot several shots off of one leg. Right leg totally off the ground.
I thought both guys played well below their normal level. Tony played better and seemed to be able to stay focused better than Boyes.
After some of Boyes comments I was glad that Tony was the winner.

Its very quiet in the studio. I would suggest to the crew to invest in a person just to handle and fire up the crowd. They wanted excitement but no one ever directed anything.
During the match I thought it was funny that the camera men and stage crew all went and pulled up chairs. Even the REF went and sat down during a game. He is a joke anyway. Never in position and seems to be there for show.
The crew actually joked out loud in front of the players that they were going to have a shot clock the next time.

All in all I like pool and can stand watching long matches. That said last night was tough. People in the audience were leaving and truthfully I was one of them. With the score 14-11 and Tony seemingly in command I decided to leave. My friend had came down with a cold and I didnt want her to sit thorugh anymore.

I still like the format with two matches and straight pool is good. The players should understand that they need to be more open. Do they not understand this already???? Do they not realize that this is TV and they are building something??

I would gladly go again and I think that the IPT has made a few changes each time. They are very nice while there. They need a wrangler for the crowd.

My best moment was when they interviewed Joe Rogan on the studio floor and he said that he had an IPT table. He then said that he took that crap cloth off right away. He literally said it was terrible and then asked the guys playing..... both took the high road and said that they didnt mind.
I thought there answer was a lie but it was the right thing to say.

Thanks to Grady for coming and sitting out in the stands. He was great and very funny/open.
Sorry this is so long but this was nothing compared to the 8ball match. I could have read War and Peace during that.
 
frankncali said:
Next there was a break followed byt the reason that we don't have live pool.
The 8 ball match was the slowest pool I have ever seen. ONly thing that made it bareable (if it really was) had to be that Grady came and sat with us in the bleachers. He was commentating there !!!!!!
It was awesome. Grady was very open and even a few times changed his thoughts or agreed with some of the watchers. He explained a few things and was in shock that this was going to be a race to 15 at this pace.

Both players seemed lost playing eight ball or either the cloth/setting shook them a bit. Tony could bore a mortician. I am not sure how it came across on the Net but it was terriblly slow.
In the stands we were all counting out Tonys break setup routine and the numbers of practice strokes. I counted 42 as the high but it could have been higher. Interestingly the best break came after only 3 minutes of wiggling into the stance and then 12 practice strokes!:D


8-ball is a game that requires the players to figure out the pattern from the 8-ball backwards so of course, any good player is gonna take his time figuring out what to do.

Also in Tony's defense, he doesn't play 8-ball AT ALL. And he had zero time to prepare for this match, thus he's digging through the cob webs of his 8-ball experiences trying to remember how best to play this game again. (Remember, 24 hrs before his match, Tony wasn't even scheduled to play.) So saying he would bore a mortician is just mean spirited.

And his break ... no matter the prep WORKED. Even Mike and John said, "well if that's what it takes to break as good as Tony is, then I'll do the 40 warm up strokes too!" Clearly the 5 that Karl did was NOT a winning strategy.

Question: On camera Karl seemed really pompous. Where as Tony complimented Karl on being a great player, Karl gave no credit to Tony's skills what-so-ever. I don't know the guy at all, but what was he like in person? What are some of the comments that Boyes made that you didn't like?
 
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frankncali said:
Okay so I was able to attend the IPT night live and thought that I would give my perspective from being there after reading the posts of those watching at home.

First off it was put together a little better than the first. Not as long of a wait to be seated and we were inside rather than grouped up in the parking lot again. IPT staff is always nice.

Almost exact setup inside the studio. Same hardass bleachers cramming everyone together. Same girl moving everyone around and placing people.

The Sigel/Schmidt match was a fun one to watch. Both guys were talkative and open with their thoughts. I thought Sigel showed much more respect to John than I thought he would.
In the studio they playback some of the earlier recorded interviews. Even then Sigel kind of rolled his eyes and laughed about some of his remarks.

Good play for the poor layouts. They were blasting the break shots with no movement at all. John, IMO had the worst luck during the match and
missed two balls that he shouldnt have missed. Thats all it took for Sigel.

After the match around the studio Mike was still being gracious about the win saying that he knew that he was only one miss away from losing. This wasn't on camera or anything this was to anyone and everyone. I'm talking in the bathroom to outside. He talked well about John and the match..... not once really being an ass and bragging.

Next there was a break followed byt the reason that we don't have live pool.
The 8 ball match was the slowest pool I have ever seen. ONly thing that made it bareable (if it really was) had to be that Grady came and sat with us in the bleachers. He was commentating there !!!!!!
It was awesome. Grady was very open and even a few times changed his thoughts or agreed with some of the watchers. He explained a few things and was in shock that this was going to be a race to 15 at this pace.

Both players seemed lost playing eight ball or either the cloth/setting shook them a bit. Tony could bore a mortician. I am not sure how it came across on the Net but it was terriblly slow.
In the stands we were all counting out Tonys break setup routine and the numbers of practice strokes. I counted 42 as the high but it could have been higher. Interestingly the best break came after only 3 minutes of wiggling into the stance and then 12 practice strokes!:D

Tony also seemed to be limping a bit. Not sure if that is normal or not. Instead of using his right foot/toes he would anchor the heel of the right foot and raise the toe portion straight up. Does he have an issue with that foot. He shot several shots off of one leg. Right leg totally off the ground.
I thought both guys played well below their normal level. Tony played better and seemed to be able to stay focused better than Boyes.
After some of Boyes comments I was glad that Tony was the winner.

Its very quiet in the studio. I would suggest to the crew to invest in a person just to handle and fire up the crowd. They wanted excitement but no one ever directed anything.
During the match I thought it was funny that the camera men and stage crew all went and pulled up chairs. Even the REF went and sat down during a game. He is a joke anyway. Never in position and seems to be there for show.
The crew actually joked out loud in front of the players that they were going to have a shot clock the next time.

All in all I like pool and can stand watching long matches. That said last night was tough. People in the audience were leaving and truthfully I was one of them. With the score 14-11 and Tony seemingly in command I decided to leave. My friend had came down with a cold and I didnt want her to sit thorugh anymore.

I still like the format with two matches and straight pool is good. The players should understand that they need to be more open. Do they not understand this already???? Do they not realize that this is TV and they are building something??

I would gladly go again and I think that the IPT has made a few changes each time. They are very nice while there. They need a wrangler for the crowd.

My best moment was when they interviewed Joe Rogan on the studio floor and he said that he had an IPT table. He then said that he took that crap cloth off right away. He literally said it was terrible and then asked the guys playing..... both took the high road and said that they didnt mind.
I thought there answer was a lie but it was the right thing to say.

Thanks to Grady for coming and sitting out in the stands. He was great and very funny/open.
Sorry this is so long but this was nothing compared to the 8ball match. I could have read War and Peace during that.


good trip report Frank.
 
GG11 said:
8-ball is a game that requires the players to figure out the pattern from the 8-ball backwards so of course, any good player is gonna take his time figuring out what to do.

Also in Tony's defense, he doesn't play 8-ball AT ALL. And he had zero time to prepare for this match, thus he's digging through the cob webs of his 8-ball experiences trying to remember how best to play this game again. (Remember, 24 hrs before his match, Tony wasn't even scheduled to play.) So saying he would bore a mortician is just mean spirited.

And his break ... no matter the prep WORKED. Even Mike and John said, "well if that's what it takes to break as good as Tony is, then I'll do the 40 warm up strokes too!" Clearly the 5 that Karl did was NOT a winning strategy.

Question: On camera Karl seemed really pompous. Where as Tony complimented Karl on being a great player, Karl gave no credit to Tony's skills what-so-ever. I don't know the guy at all, but what was he like in person? What are some of the comments that Boyes made that you didn't like?

Not surprised to see your location...:D

I have nothing against Tony and understood everything you just stated. Even then it was slow. BOTH players were slow but Tony took the longest.
As for the break Karl hit the break just as solid and got little results. Neither guy got great spreads. I was surprised that Tony after breaking and running either 2 or 3 racks changed his break a bit.

I have never heard anything bad about him and think that he seems like a good guy. I was happy for him to win after being an last minute alternate.
He also did America proud.

Boyes does seem a bit pompous but we Americans probably do to him as well. He has a real sense that the UK or Euro players are better and even said that they ALL had the better strokes. He is a good player that I don't think showed his true level last night.
You are correct or I got the same feeling .... he gave Tony little respect with his comments.
 
frankncali said:
Not surprised to see your location...:D
Really? :)

I am sure you weren't bashing Tony and more just trying to give insight into the "in person" experience. I'm more just indicating the "Why?" to your observations.

I watched Tony and Thorsten play one another in the NJ 14.1 Championship. Now THAT was brutal. And I love watching Tony but man-o-man. Both were racing to 200 .... it took over 5 hours! :eek:
So I do understand the pain one can enduring during a slow match.

But I found last night's match very informative as both players made some great shots and got through some really tough outs. So for a pool student, it wasn't boring to me at all. But for entertainment value alone, I can see your points.

And I agree, if they want this thing to grow into something bigger they are going to HAVE to liven it up a bit. I think more interaction with the players would be great, having the players mic working and NOT listing to the Mike Sigel show would be an improvement. Joe Rogan was a GREAT commentator. They should look into getting him on board.
 
frankncali said:
As for the break Karl hit the break just as solid and got little results. Neither guy got great spreads.

I dont think Karl was hitting the ball solid at all. From what I saw, he lost his cueball on every break. It was all over the place.
 
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well in my opinion they picked the wrong uk player to play 8 ball ,,this was a very poor boring match.....i do admire tony showing great respect for karl boyes after the match. pitty karl did not show the same respect....karl is not the best 8 ball player in the uk far from it...
tony played better than karl,,,,,,karl was all over the place it came across as he had no idea what to do his pattern selection was awfull...

karls,,, interview did nothing for pool infact i thought he was a disgrace in his interview + the foul language esp after the interview had finished and i could still hear him swearing in the background ,lets hope to many kids did not watch it ,,,,,,i think this was karls big chance and he blew shame really ,,,well done tony robles you did us proud,,,
 
Strange that the 14.1 was to 125, a decent length match and then the Eight Ball match was to 15, way too long. The Eight Ball match should have been Race To Nine or Ten, more than long enough.
 
jay helfert said:
Strange that the 14.1 was to 125, a decent length match and then the Eight Ball match was to 15, way too long. The Eight Ball match should have been Race To Nine or Ten, more than long enough.

I agree. A race to 15 in 8 ball was too much.

Anyone know what they were playing for? Couldnt find it on the site.
 
cleary said:
I agree. A race to 15 in 8 ball was too much.

Anyone know what they were playing for? Couldnt find it on the site.

I don't know if I'm allowed to disclosed. I'll find out and let you know!

And yes, I agree, the race to 15 was waaaaaay too long!! Though it was a good learning experience!
 
cleary said:
I dont think Karl was hitting the ball solid at all. From what I saw, he lost his cueball on every break. It was all over the place.

IMO you can hit the balls solid and still lose control. I do agree though that he lost his cueball too much.

However, its 8ball and with a good break 15 balls are moving and they WILL hit the cueball after contact. Tony broke better.


The slow cloth creates clusters yet also eliminates some of the artistry and skill of break out shots. I like to be able to see the guys work the ball. Some shots require a faster cloth not only to get tot the clusters but to have a decent shot at moving the balls favorablly after contact.
 
Also

Did it show on the net that the cueball moved to the rackers left EVERY time it stopped rolling.

I thought it was a significant drift at first then I watched some of the OBs and they reacted differently. Can the CB be a bit out of whack.

It settled that direction every shot no matter where it was on the table.
 
jay helfert said:
Strange that the 14.1 was to 125, a decent length match and then the Eight Ball match was to 15, way too long. The Eight Ball match should have been Race To Nine or Ten, more than long enough.

I agree... race to 15 eight ball is long.

Just curious but as a Tournament director what length would you allow for a match of this length.
 
frankncali said:
Also

Did it show on the net that the cueball moved to the rackers left EVERY time it stopped rolling.

I thought it was a significant drift at first then I watched some of the OBs and they reacted differently. Can the CB be a bit out of whack.

It settled that direction every shot no matter where it was on the table.

Yes, I noticed that during the segil/schmidt lag...and it just kept getting worse. I thought it was just in my head, but I guess not.
 
frankncali said:
IMO you can hit the balls solid and still lose control. I do agree though that he lost his cueball too much.

However, its 8ball and with a good break 15 balls are moving and they WILL hit the cueball after contact. Tony broke better..

No, I agree its easy to lose the cueball in 8 ball. All of those balls are bound to hit the cueball. But if you watched Tony's break, the cue ball looked like it was in a car wreck.... slamming right into a brick wall. That is how a perfect break should look. What happens after that is in the hands of the pool gods.
 
paddy number 1 said:
what did u think of the after match comments????


I didnt hear them.. Going to have to watch the replay or wait for the Youtube version.

I have deciphered from posts that some of Boyes comments might not have been the greatest but have not heard them myself.

What was said??
 
cleary said:
Yes, I noticed that during the segil/schmidt lag...and it just kept getting worse. I thought it was just in my head, but I guess not.


There was one shot for JS where the cueball seemed to be controled by another force. Only time I really saw a player mentioned it... JS made a comment and motion with his hands.

JS had good breaks with terrible results.

Johns 4 ball made with about a 5-6 ball stack combo was exceptional. I looked at Sigel after the shot to see his reaction. He liked it as well.
It wasnt like there was a dead one in the stack. The four was a good 8-10 from the stack. John spotted the route and drilled it.
 
paddy number 1 said:
what did u think of the after match comments????


I was really disappointed that they didn't interview the players for a longer bit of time. Ask them questions about the match and recount shots within it.

Cleary is right about the break. Tony has been dedicated to perfecting his break for the last year. Hitting the 1 ball exactly where he wants to (sometimes that means the full ball, other times he WANTS to hit 1/2 or 1/3 of the 1-ball,) having the cue ball placed in the center of the table after initial contact, and controlling the strength he wants to hit the balls at depending on the conditions of the table. It was no accident that he was breaking well. It was practice.

Karl was NOT breaking well. Not once did his cue ball stop in the center. It scratched in both corner pockets at least once and then in the side during his final break. This is HIS fault. Not pool gods.

The only times Tony scratched on the break, the cue ball was kicked in by another ball. THAT is pool gods.
 
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