IPT player list.....who are these players????

George

George

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I just looked at the IPT player list...........All I have to say is who are some of these freaken players??? There are a dozen or so players on the list from the USA that I've no idea who these players are and what they've done to get on that list considering some of the players who aren't. Some of these guys aren't even listed on AZ's player list which is quite extensive.
I'm not knocking the players so don't take this the wrong way. I'm just curious how they're qualified while other, much better known and more traveled players are not? Does anyone know specifically how the IPT came up with this initial list of players?

George
 
Which players are you talking about?

List a few and I'll see if I can help you with more info about them.


Tim
 
I could be 100% wrong but my guess is that a lot of the weaker players who got in applied very early when everyone else was speculating about the tour,KTs' background,etc...

Once the IPT started filling up most of its spots, it became much harder for people to get in. Guys like Harriman aren't in and my friend said Danny had applied.

With 150 spots to fill, the idea of a 12 yr old kid playing seems kind of funny or cute. Come on in, there's plenty of room for everyone!

Now that 50 world beaters are paying $2k at the DCC to TRY and get the last couple of spots, it does seem a bit ridiculous but that's life.
 
There may have been a few oversights, but from what I've heard from this board, most of the players who people were complaining about being missing either did not apply (in time) or submitted an incomplete application. IPT really considered what was written in the application.
 
Tim-n-NM said:
Which players are you talking about?

List a few and I'll see if I can help you with more info about them.


Tim
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Ok, I'll throw a few names out there but I first want to say that this is in no way a slam of any player and just because I haven`t heard of them doesn't really mean anything.

Broadhurst, Jackie
Butera, Sal
Catledge, Wayne
Czetli, Aaron
Friend, Bernie
Jones, Sammy
Jones, Tammy
Keller, Ryan
Murphy, Austin
Raney, Jim
Roberts, James
Schwartz, Larry
Zimmerman, Michael

Now I just want to reiterate that I am in no way knocking any of these players, I just don't know who they are or how they made the list.
There are also others on this list that I do recognize but for the life of me I can't see how they made the list. These players I will not list because I don't want to offend anyone but there are some glaring omissions to this list that I just can't reasonably explain.


George
 
Butera is "the machinegun" if I remember correctly... or maybe that's Lou. I dunno. I've heard of a few of the others from the short list you provided, and I don't know much...
 
Broadhurst, Jackie [Lady pro, paid her dues]
Butera, Sal
Catledge, Wayne [Heard of this player, but can't remember where]
Czetli, Aaron [Sponsors players and competes in various events, submitted well-written application early]
Friend, Bernie [Applied before the deadline and got accepted due to his well-written portfolio provided]
Jones, Sammy [STRONG jump-ball mechanic, Loree Jon Jones' husband]
Jones, Tammy
Keller, Ryan
Murphy, Austin [12-year-old from Northern California, featured in Billiards Digest and Sports Illustrated]
Raney, Jim
Roberts, James
Schwartz, Larry [Won the play-off for the one OPEN spot at KOTH, expert player who writes for Billiards Digest]
Zimmerman, Michael [Linda Carter's (AzB's "rkmupskr") husband, a veteran player who's paid his dues]

Hope that helps. Also, if you go to the IPT website and click the PLAYERS link, it will provide a brief bio of the player.

JAM
 
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JAM said:
Broadhurst, Jackie [Lady pro, paid her dues]
Butera, Sal
Catledge, Wayne [Heard of this player, but can't remember where]
Czetli, Aaron [Sponsors players and competes in various events, submitted well-written application early]
Friend, Bernie [Applied before the deadline and got accepted due to his well-written portfolio provided]
Jones, Sammy [STRONG jump-ball mechanic, Loree Jon Jones' husband]
Jones, Tammy
Keller, Ryan
Murphy, Austin [12-year-old from Northern California, featured in Billiards Digest and Sports Illustrated]
Raney, Jim
Roberts, James
Schwartz, Larry [Won the play-off for the one OPEN spot at KOTH, expert player who writes for Billiards Digest]
Zimmerman, Michael [Linda Carter's (AzB's "rkmupskr") husband, a veteran player who's paid his dues]

Hope that helps. Also, if you go to the IPT website and click the PLAYERS link, it will provide a brief bio of the player.

JAM
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Thanks for the info JAM. I think the Butera you're thinking of is Lou "Machine Gun" Butera(HOF). Maybe Sal is a relative of Lou?

George
 
What Jam posted and I think Tammy Jones is Tammie Wesley Jones. A former WPBA player, former "STRONG" female road player. She'll be competitive. She's been living the married life in recent years.
Posts on AZB. From my hometown origionally.:)

Terry
 
I think Sal is Lou's kid. I believe he played in some pro events about 8-10 years ago and could hold his own.
 
I guess one of the things I'm trying to comprehend is where are the players like Zuglan, Joyner, Bernatchez, Coltrain and young guns like McCreesh and D'Alfonso. I could make a list of probably 40 players if I wanted to take the time(which I don't). There just seems to be some pretty obvious players missing from this list and too many unknowns.

George
 
Well, I cant add anything to what JAM has already stated :) This is why she is my favorite poster here. I think submitting a well-written application early was the key to most of the unknowns being accepted. Unknown only means unknown to me. Not a knock at all. I wish all of them the best of luck. I hope they become known to all of the pool world.
 
George said:
I just looked at the IPT player list...........All I have to say is who are some of these freaken players??? There are a dozen or so players on the list from the USA that I've no idea who these players are and what they've done to get on that list considering some of the players who aren't. Some of these guys aren't even listed on AZ's player list which is quite extensive.
I'm not knocking the players so don't take this the wrong way. I'm just curious how they're qualified while other, much better known and more traveled players are not? Does anyone know specifically how the IPT came up with this initial list of players?

George
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Isn't it great that these unknowns are now in the spotlight because of the IPT?

They sure would never have made it with the other tours that are in existence.

And, until about a year ago I never heard of Marlon Manalo. Some unknown from some far away country. Same with John Schmidt. I never heard of him before he came to Florida. Same with Thorsten Hoeman.

Keep your eyes on Austin. If he keeps at it he will rise to the top soon.

Unknown does not mean they can't play. In fact, hasn't it been the policy of all the great road players to dumb down and hide the fact that they can play? Sigel got away with that for ten years.

Who ever heard of Jason Miller, Shane Van Boening, Brian Groce?

And they too will all have their moments of fame due to the IPT.


Jake

Yep I am a confirmed believer in KT and the IPT. For all I know he may be the next coming.
 
JAM said:
Broadhurst, Jackie [Lady pro, paid her dues]
Butera, Sal
Catledge, Wayne [Heard of this player, but can't remember where]
Czetli, Aaron [Sponsors players and competes in various events, submitted well-written application early]
Friend, Bernie [Applied before the deadline and got accepted due to his well-written portfolio provided]
Jones, Sammy [STRONG jump-ball mechanic, Loree Jon Jones' husband]
Jones, Tammy
Keller, Ryan
Murphy, Austin [12-year-old from Northern California, featured in Billiards Digest and Sports Illustrated]
Raney, Jim
Roberts, James
Schwartz, Larry [Won the play-off for the one OPEN spot at KOTH, expert player who writes for Billiards Digest]
Zimmerman, Michael [Linda Carter's (AzB's "rkmupskr") husband, a veteran player who's paid his dues]

Hope that helps. Also, if you go to the IPT website and click the PLAYERS link, it will provide a brief bio of the player.

JAM
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Wayne is Miyuki's sponsor, an A player from the Orlando area.
 
George said:
I guess one of the things I'm trying to comprehend is where are the players like Zuglan, Joyner, Bernatchez, Coltrain and young guns like McCreesh and D'Alfonso. I could make a list of probably 40 players if I wanted to take the time(which I don't). There just seems to be some pretty obvious players missing from this list and too many unknowns.

George
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It's obvious George. KT is having a party and he invited 150 of his closest friends. So it must be safe to assume that those not invited are not his closest friends. What's so complicated about that. How many people did you leave off your wedding list?

But with over 10,000 applications and only 150 openings it is pretty hard to please everyone.

Jake
 
Broadhurst, Jackie - Very capable player
Butera, Sal - Has been around forever. He's Ronald McDonald too!
Catledge, Wayne - A buddy of mine - has played pro for years
Czetli, Aaron - awesome player, friends with Corey
Bernie Friend, - Great bar table player from NY
Jones, Sammy - Come om, Gerorge, you're kidding, right? Top shelf NE player, he's married to Loree Jon. He deserves to be there.
Jones, Tammy - Awesome player. Wish she'd play more!
Keller, Ryan - Got me there.
Murphy, Austin - Awesome player.
Raney, Jim - Got me there.
Roberts, James - Got me there.
Schwartz, Larry - One of the best 8 ball players alive. Great guy, very knowledgable.
Zimmerman, Michael - I only know of Mike from what I have read here. Sounds to me as if he is a superb player.
 
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jjinfla said:
Who ever heard of Jason Miller, Shane Van Boening, Brian Groce?
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Well, after Miller won DCC banks in 04 with a 3rd place all-around finish, a top 6 place finish the next year, along with his performance this year, it's kind of hard not to hear about him.

Van Boeing, while new, finished top 5 at the Reno Open and US Bar Table Championships (9-ball) last year...
 
George said:
I guess one of the things I'm trying to comprehend is where are the players like Zuglan, Joyner, Bernatchez, Coltrain and young guns like McCreesh and D'Alfonso. I could make a list of probably 40 players if I wanted to take the time(which I don't). There just seems to be some pretty obvious players missing from this list and too many unknowns.
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Mike Zuglan - a glaring omission, one of New York State's champion players, a veteran to the tournament trail, and the Joss TD, a 12-year-long existing tour.

Cliff Joyner - most likely, subject to check, had no access to a computer and did not submit his application before September 30th, 2005.

Michael Coltrain - though a strong North Carolinian young gun, he quit playing competitively due to an arm shake, but he is still a familiar face on the tournament trail, one of the BEST handicappers in the business.

Ryan McCreesh - did not submit an application before Spetember 30, 2005.

Tommy D'Alfonso - a young gun who prefers to fly under the radar and travel on the road to unknown destinations, application most likely not submitted before September 30, 2005.

JAM
 
If some notable Hall of Famers and/or veterans of the sport are "grandfathered" in the first season, I think other omissions would be: Ronnie Allen, C.J. Wiley, Jimmy Reid, Reed Pierce, Ronnie Wiseman, just to name a few. These gentleman, some of whom I have seen at many events in my short existence on the tournament trail, are very worthy.

Jimmy Reid has recently dropped off the face of the earth. Haven't seen him at any event in recent times.

Reed Pierce is one of Mississippi's finest and heralded as an American legend. He did attend the IPT KOTH in Orlando and is interested in getting in on the IPT tour, as is C.J. Wiley.

Ronnie Wiseman did not submit his application in before September 30th. Think long, think wrong.

The senior Ronnie Allen has no computer skills and most likely did not hear about the IPT until after the fact. He is, without a doubt, an American champion, a name-brand player in the States. When I first got into the sport, his name was always on the lips of every player I knew. Colorful guy, a seasoned veteran who is forgotten.

JAM
 
jjinfla said:
It's obvious George. KT is having a party and he invited 150 of his closest friends. So it must be safe to assume that those not invited are not his closest friends. What's so complicated about that. How many people did you leave off your wedding list?

But with over 10,000 applications and only 150 openings it is pretty hard to please everyone.

Jake
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Do I sense sarcasm, for the record I hope this tour will be a huge success. I also figure that if it succeeds then eventually the list of players will be chock full of players that PLAYED their way into a spot, not just a submitted a well written application.
That being said I do truly hope that this tour succeeds beyond anyones wildest dreams.

George<----questions things but also open minded
 
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