IPT Qualifiers - Will there be a prize fund?

watchez said:
Ok Mike,
You have just compiled a nice list to add to the players I already mentioned. And you have your credentials behind you that you have ran & promoted over how many pool tournaments? So with all this knowledge behind you plus the fact that an IPT player will make all this money in the upcoming years.....

What is your expectation for the qualifier at the DCC? How many players at the largest pool gathering of the top players? I previously posted that they should be happy with 32. I will let you know that I already know that Chuck Ralston, Matlock, Shane and these 3 guys from California are going to play. That leaves 26 more to get to my number (and 32 is a poor showing in my mind).
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I have no guess on how many will play at the DCC. But I do hope it is more than anyone expects.

watchez said:
I have 2 G's because I have a job and can manage my money. This job and poor hand-eye coordination make it so that I am not anywhere near the caliber of player to be on the IPT or try to qualify. Unfortunately, most pool players don't have 2 G's and can't manage their money so 32 is still my prediction.
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watchez, that's why players like you and me should try to play in qualifiers for the qualifiers like the ones that will be held in GA at the POOL ROOM. We can justify taking a chance for $25 but not $2 large.

watchez, I extend an invitation to you to come down to the POOL ROOM in Marietta, GA to play in one of the $25 qualifiers. I'll even pay your entry fee to it. It's definately gonna be a good time all week.

watchez said:
by the way, what happened to the post requesting sponsors for the IPT qualifier in Georgia??
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I gots no clue what happened to that post. My assumption would be that a moderator that knows our history removed it so it didn't get ugly ?

Personally, I think we should stay off each others backs or post. Whatever the case may be.

Respectfully,

Mj
 
I think using a sponcer rather than a backer would be the smart thing to do, unless you want to give your backer a cut of your yearly income? no thanks.. you think your backer is just gonna throw 2G out there and say GO FOR IT! :rolleyes: and there isnt enough action around to justify everything, Its just not 2G, how ya gonna get there? where ya gonna stay? how are you gonna eat? you'll need 1500-2000 just for expenses.. unless the tourney is in your home town ofcourse.. it would be my luck, id enter, play good enough to win third, and then have to walk home.. thats why......

Id play with a meucci if they paid my entree fee.. :D

2wld4u
 
Thank you, my point exactly

rackmsuckr said:
Mike,

I love your idea of qualifiers for the Qualifier. I hope that it brings more people out to the Q. I also hope other Q's try that idea. It will take some of the burden off the players.

I think what nfty9er is trying to say is that there is one other Q for the 2007 tour card that is only $1000, when the bottom 50 drop off next year. It is just 1 event and I guess they are taking top 50 from that event and giving them 2007 tour cards. Unfortunately, they won't be on the tour this year. And the entry may be raised to $2000 by then too. That is just speculation - it could be lowered for all I know.
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Think about it Mike. Lets say you have a qualifier with 64 players. My chances to make it are 1 in 32 against all those top players you mentioned is like I said slim and none. If I play in the tournament you seem not to be aware of for $1,000 to finish in the top 50 I suspect my odds would not be 1 in 5 figuring it would draw 256 players including the 50 who finished on the bottom of the money list for 2006. Now if I am one of those great players you mentioned my chances of placing in the top 50 is almost a cinch considering the top 100 in the tour for 2006 are not playing against me. In the meantime I can still try and qualify if I want to play in some tournaments in 2006. I like your idea of the mini tournaments but again the odds are long but at least it won't cost so much money but to place to play in the qualifier then having to finish 1st or 2nd assuming you took in the maximum $4800 which only allows for two entries.
Why are you having these qualifiers if like you say all these players or backers have all this money to throw around. I think it is because you do not anticipate a lot of entries to try and qualify for their own $2,000.
I just like my odds going about it another way.
 
nfty9er said:
Think about it Mike. Lets say you have a qualifier with 64 players. My chances to make it are 1 in 32 against all those top players you mentioned is like I said slim and none. If I play in the tournament you seem not to be aware of for $1,000 to finish in the top 50 I suspect my odds would not be 1 in 5 figuring it would draw 256 players including the 50 who finished on the bottom of the money list for 2006. Now if I am one of those great players you mentioned my chances of placing in the top 50 is almost a cinch considering the top 100 in the tour for 2006 are not playing against me. In the meantime I can still try and qualify if I want to play in some tournaments in 2006. I like your idea of the mini tournaments but again the odds are long but at least it won't cost so much money but to place to play in the qualifier then having to finish 1st or 2nd assuming you took in the maximum $4800 which only allows for two entries.
Why are you having these qualifiers if like you say all these players or backers have all this money to throw around.



I think it is because you do not anticipate a lot of entries to try and qualify for their own $2,000.
I just like my odds going about it another way.
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nfty9er, it's not that I don't know about what events are what it's that we had a miscommunication. I assumed that you were talking about the 3 events that have the extra 50 players in them.

Regarding your last line. I have no idea what the IPT will get for players. I'm not running that show. My job is to bring players into the POOL ROOM to try and qualify for the IPT's event. The type of players that would normally not put up 2G's or don't have it but will put up $25. We just want to give those type of players a chance.

Regarding your statement of " assuming you took in the maximum $4800 which only allows for two entries." Your numbers are not correct here. If we take in the maximum # of players in each flight we would have taken in $12,800 which would give us 6 entries to give away. (The math is this: $25 X 16 players per flight = $400 multiplied by 32 flights = $12,800) Additionally, I am seeking sponsors that will make it possible for us to give away additional spots.

Please wish me luck.

Mj
 
I think, although your idea of $25 qualifiers is honorable, it would be defeating the intent that KT had when he made the entry fee 2K. At 2K only the best will apply because they know that on any given day they can beat anyone. And they know that they will not be competing against the 150 IPT players already selected.

Jake
 
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I wish you all the luck in the world

MikeJanis said:
nfty9er, it's not that I don't know about what events are what it's that we had a miscommunication. I assumed that you were talking about the 3 events that have the extra 50 players in them.

Regarding your last line. I have no idea what the IPT will get for players. I'm not running that show. My job is to bring players into the POOL ROOM to try and qualify for the IPT's event. The type of players that would normally not put up 2G's or don't have it but will put up $25. We just want to give those type of players a chance.

Regarding your statement of " assuming you took in the maximum $4800 which only allows for two entries." Your numbers are not correct here. If we take in the maximum # of players in each flight we would have taken in $12,800 which would give us 6 entries to give away. (The math is this: $25 X 16 players per flight = $400 multiplied by 32 flights = $12,800) Additionally, I am seeking sponsors that will make it possible for us to give away additional spots.

Please wish me luck.

Mj
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I misunderstood your post on the tournaments. I guess you meant you are running 4 a night Mon-Thurs. not 4 in 4 nights. That makes for better odds.
Wish I could be there. One question, are all those flights running separately so a person could play in each one? Dang would still cost me $800, so "my" chances are still slim to none. lol
 
nfty9er said:
I misunderstood your post on the tournaments. I guess you meant you are running 4 a night Mon-Thurs. not 4 in 4 nights. That makes for better odds.
Wish I could be there. One question, are all those flights running separately so a person could play in each one? Dang would still cost me $800, so "my" chances are still slim to none. lol
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Yup, all those flights will be run separately. The way I have it scheduled is 1 event ends and then the next one starts. They will all be single Elimination except for the final event and if enough players participate I will make that 2 separate events with 32 players in each one.

In fact the original design has 2 final events, each one with 32 players in each. The idea is that the 32 players that qualify on the weekend have their own event then the 32 players that qualify during the weekdays have their own event. Also, players could qualify for each of the separate final events.

I may go back to that format. The response in my emails has been pretty good so far.

Mj
 
Thanks for the invite. I hear that the pool room in Georgia is a helluva place, someday I'll take a trip to see it. Give the free entry fee to someone more deserving & better qualified. I actually think the qualifiers for the qualifier is a good idea. They do the same in poker, aka as satellite tournaments. The big difference in poker is that anyone with money can still play. In the IPT, you had to be hand picked by Trudeau, Deno, or Sigel. You and I have listed roughly 30 players that are more than qualified to be in a pro event. I wonder what the state of mind of those on the outside looking in is going to be once they fail to qualify in the last 8 spots. Louie Roberts was the only pool player that I can remember to take his own life (even though I still don't believe he did it himself). Take me serious on this. I have spoken to quite a few top players that weren't originally invited & the anger/depression they are feeling is quite strong.
 
"I have spoken to quite a few top players that weren't originally invited & the anger/depression they are feeling is quite strong."................................Maybe they need a NaturalCure :cool:

The qualifiers and that sound like a chain letter.
Just give two thousand to the next person and you'll receive a hundred thousand.

In the future, those voices who have been the loudest for, will become the most vengefull against, if this venture wobbles off.

I'm not making any excuses. Santa Claus is real. I saw him on tv selling reindeer.
 
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MikeJanis said:
nfty9er, it's not that I don't know about what events are what it's that we had a miscommunication. I assumed that you were talking about the 3 events that have the extra 50 players in them.

Regarding your last line. I have no idea what the IPT will get for players. I'm not running that show. My job is to bring players into the POOL ROOM to try and qualify for the IPT's event. The type of players that would normally not put up 2G's or don't have it but will put up $25. We just want to give those type of players a chance.

Regarding your statement of " assuming you took in the maximum $4800 which only allows for two entries." Your numbers are not correct here. If we take in the maximum # of players in each flight we would have taken in $12,800 which would give us 6 entries to give away. (The math is this: $25 X 16 players per flight = $400 multiplied by 32 flights = $12,800) Additionally, I am seeking sponsors that will make it possible for us to give away additional spots.

Please wish me luck.

Mj
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Mike,
I think it's great you're doing this. It will help to bring the strongest players into the IPT.

I just wish it could expand in scope so that thousands from around the country / world would have a chance to try their luck.

Wishing you luck!
Colin
 
MikeJanis said:
My job is to bring players into the POOL ROOM to try and qualify for the IPT's event. The type of players that would normally not put up 2G's or don't have it but will put up $25. We just want to give those type of players a chance.

Mj
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Doesn't this fly in the face of the original explanation for the big entry fees to start with? In this case they don't need you to seed the field just hold a qualifiers with a reasonable entry fee. Another statement that is contradictory and makes no sense.
 
macguy said:
Doesn't this fly in the face of the original explanation for the big entry fees to start with? In this case they don't need you to seed the field just hold a qualifiers with a reasonable entry fee. Another statement that is contradictory and makes no sense.
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It may seem to contradict the original explanation of why the 2k entries, but maybe that is because the explanation was not clearly thought through and that experimentation leads to greater knowledge.

I actually think this system has advantages over small entry qualifiers for the following reason:
With qualifiers for qualifiers, entry becomes possible for a larger number of players...surely a good thing.
With a 2k qualifying stage, that anyone can buy into, it provides a shortcut for the pro-level or international player who considers himself a real good chance and does not want the inconvenience of winning through multiple rounds just to get to the Q stage.

An international player would hardly want to travel to the US to play in $25 qualifiers to save some cash.

This would work similar to the poker events, where top pros buy straight into an event with a $10k entry, while many less convident players try their luck through various levels of qualifiers from $1 entry and up.

Having a base high entry qualifier provides this alternative. Even if that wasn't part of the original design.

btw: I am planning to run similar qualification events in the future here in China, so more players can get a feel of playing in an event which could lead to such an enormous opportunity. Even if we can just send one or two players to the US for a qualifier, it would create quite a buzz among the pool community here.
 
Colin Colenso said:
btw: I am planning to run similar qualification events in the future here in China, so more players can get a feel of playing in an event which could lead to such an enormous opportunity. Even if we can just send one or two players to the US for a qualifier, it would create quite a buzz among the pool community here.
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Who in China can afford to pay a $2000 entry fee? Its my guess that a lot of the Asian players will bypass the IPT due to these high entry fees.

If I look at this from my position... what if I were to enter one of these qualifiers... I pay $2000, I lose... and I go home. If I'm persistent, I'll enter another qualifier and pay another $2000, get beat and go home. Sooner or later, I'm going to realize that I have paid all this money for nothing - along with other people. If I understand this correctly, lets say that nobody else shows up and I am declared the winner (the only way I would get into the IPT) all I would recieve is a tour card - and the promise of $13000 and change annually, which won't even come close to covering the cost to go to all of these events. It may seem like a pretty good deal to some players, but if he is filling a 64 player field at each qualifier (he collects $128,000 if he fills the brackets) then why is no money being paid out? It seems kind of silly to me that anybody would enter those qualifiers. If I misunderstood any of this, please correct me...
 
straybullet said:
Who in China can afford to pay a $2000 entry fee? Its my guess that a lot of the Asian players will bypass the IPT due to these high entry fees.

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What I mean, is we would run a series of events through clubs with 100RMB (US$12.30) entry. Maybe 16 events of 50 players, so that 16 go into a final. Total revenue from entries would be about US$10,000.

Enough to send maybe 4 players to the US to enter either the 2007 Qualifiers or the 2006 World 8-Ball Open.

Also, with some luck the IPT will allow us to run a China qualifying stage that would put 2 players directly onto the 2007 IPT tour.

Again, I'd look at running low cost entry events across the country. Hopefully that would result in a field of about 64 being able to enter the qualifier for 2 positions...effectively US$200,000 in prize-money.

I'm sure there will be quite a few who will come up with US$1k themselves for instant entry to the final qualification stage.

I would plan to put the last 8 on TV.
 
Colin Colenso said:
What I mean, is we would run a series of events through clubs with 100RMB (US$12.30) entry. Maybe 16 events of 50 players, so that 16 go into a final. Total revenue from entries would be about US$10,000.

Enough to send maybe 4 players to the US to enter either the 2007 Qualifiers or the 2006 World 8-Ball Open.

Also, with some luck the IPT will allow us to run a China qualifying stage that would put 2 players directly onto the 2007 IPT tour.

Again, I'd look at running low cost entry events across the country. Hopefully that would result in a field of about 64 being able to enter the qualifier for 2 positions...effectively US$200,000 in prize-money.

I'm sure there will be quite a few who will come up with US$1k themselves for instant entry to the final qualification stage.

I would plan to put the last 8 on TV.
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Sounds good- Good luck with your plans.
 
Nostroke said:
Sounds good- Good luck with your plans.
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Thanks...*crossed fingers* The whole thing continues according to expectations and I have enough time and resources to make it happen:)
 
High-Rollers

I left DCC Mon., not much money.[USUAL SUSPECTS]I won $money Thur.Pm and Fri. am. Not only players ,but backers,worried the shit out of me all week-end. Someone called my home in Tenn. and awakened my wife at 2am Mon., I suppose to borrow! I have never seen the number of BROKE-ASSED pool-players as there were in Ky. I finished in the money in banks, and 5 times was bothered by pool bummers. I checked out, came home, turned the internet and not one person asked for anything- then AZB went down-bored, almost went back. These people don't ask for $50-$100 anymore, its NICKLES and DIMES. Thats what the high-Rolling KT has brought. See yall. Joe Bowman
 
joeb said:
I left DCC Mon., not much money.[USUAL SUSPECTS]I won $money Thur.Pm and Fri. am. Not only players ,but backers,worried the shit out of me all week-end. Someone called my home in Tenn. and awakened my wife at 2am Mon., I suppose to borrow! I have never seen the number of BROKE-ASSED pool-players as there were in Ky. I finished in the money in banks, and 5 times was bothered by pool bummers. I checked out, came home, turned the internet and not one person asked for anything- then AZB went down-bored, almost went back. These people don't ask for $50-$100 anymore, its NICKLES and DIMES. Thats what the high-Rolling KT has brought. See yall. Joe Bowman
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Seems like someone had a bad time. It's a shame talked to people that were at the dcc and they had a blast, they never slept,they watched and played in some big games, said it was the best one yet.

Lots of IPT interest.

Alot of life happiness is what you put into it. Sorry you had such a bad time. Maybe next year will be better for you.

Mrs.G
 
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