IPT vs WPC?

crosseyedjoe said:
I wonder how most of the Filipino players will take it if IPT membership means foregoing non-IPT tournaments? Most of them, playing pool is their occupation. That's their main source of living.
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How in the world do you explain professional pool players?They live and breathe pool.That is why they're the envy of all.Peace.
 
By the way AZBilliards said that the top 10 of the San Miguel Tournament will be qualified to compete in WPC.
 
Reading this thread, a question that occurs to me is:

What is so wrong with the IPT owning pool if their business model proves a sustainable one in which revenues are sufficient to cover the tens of millions of projected annual costs? Ok, those are very big ifs, and we all understand how big, but I believe that if the IPT business model succeeds and proves sustainable over the long term, the IPT ill have earned the right to control pool.
 
KT, Greg, and the DCC

I don't know about the other tournaments, but....

....Since KT has a business relationship going on right now with Greg Diamond, i.e., the official IPT tables are Diamond tables....I'm thinking/hoping that maybe KT will not interfere, schedule wise or otherwise with the DCC tournament this coming January, since that's Greg's tournament - and if Greg has been cozying up to KT this past year partly for this reason, then I'm glad of it....what do you guys think ?
 
sjm said:
Reading this thread, a question that occurs to me is:

What is so wrong with the IPT owning pool if their business model proves a sustainable one in which revenues are sufficient to cover the tens of millions of projected annual costs? Ok, those are very big ifs, and we all understand how big, but I believe that if the IPT business model succeeds and proves sustainable over the long term, the IPT ill have earned the right to control pool.
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I feel that pool should be bigger than the IPT and that no one organization has the right to own it. I'm not anti-IPT at all, just pro-pool. The IPT has done a lot for pool and pool players and it's the best thing to happen to pool in a long time. What's troubling is that for this model to succeed (where he has to put players in exclusivity contracts), KT would have to leave a lot of the other tours in its wake. I still don't know if putting the players on exclusivity contracts would be good or bad. On one hand, the players of the NBA doesn't seem to be complaining. And the success of the NBA has spawned a lot of other related and allied industries.

However, the IPT and its players span different countries on different continents. If the IPT puts its players on exclusivity contracts (big IF. Still not final if KT would really do this), would it in effect deprive these countries the privilege to see their pool players play in local tournaments? Let's hope not. As I've said before, there is a middle-ground and this does NOT include putting players on an exclusivity contract; all it involves is working out a schedule with the rest of the tour operators so that players can participate in the most optimum number of tournaments they can possibly attend. Everybody would be happy, including KT because the success of these players in other tournaments would be like free advertising for when these players play in the IPT.
 
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Gabber said:
The make or break of this comes down to ,

' Do enough people want to watch it?'.

Is 8-ball , no shot clock and a dreadfully slow table the way to go?
After watching Ralph S v Thorston, and falling asleep twice?, I realised why the US Pro game went 9-ball!

Gabber.
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I think a shot clock is a must for future events if the IPT is going to thrive. I do understand it's a pressured atmosphere of course but are there any downsides to a shot clock?

I also think they need to take a closer look at just who is shown on the featured TV tables too - Souquet, great player though he is, is a tough man to watch sometimes! I'd sooner watch more exciting players who make the odd mistake than automatons (sorry Ralph!).
 
sjm said:
Reading this thread, a question that occurs to me is:

What is so wrong with the IPT owning pool if their business model proves a sustainable one in which revenues are sufficient to cover the tens of millions of projected annual costs? Ok, those are very big ifs, and we all understand how big, but I believe that if the IPT business model succeeds and proves sustainable over the long term, the IPT ill have earned the right to control pool.
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To put things into perpective, if in America even a pool game can be seen PURELY as a business venture, in some parts of the world, there are other factors that come into play.

"Both Reyes and Bustamante who admitted that they found it hard to cope with the brutal physical demands of the IPT Tour event in Las Vegas and collapsed down the stretch because they were getting on in years said they didn't want to take any chances in the World Cup of Pool because they had been invited to represent the Philippines, not themselves. " AZBilliards

The question that was raised is what would happen to players who not only play for money but also play to represent their country in pool events when KT makes IPT participation as an exclusive contract that players can no longer play in non-IPT tournaments..
 
crosseyedjoe said:
The question that was raised is what would happen to players who not only play for money but also play to represent their country in pool events when KT makes IPT participation as an exclusive contract that players can no longer play in non-IPT tournaments..
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I don't think that KT is unwilling at all to let members play in non-IPT tournaments. It's just that the non-IPT tournament will need sanctioning by the IPT, which may or may not include a sanctioning fee, just like the WPBA does for their players.
 
the world pool league and world 9 ball championships REQUIRE the players to sign a contract (wpl is 9 pages and gives players all travel expenses and guaranteed 3k) in advance. Who knows if the players who signed this year would keep their commitments, now that the ipt is up and running. and moving forward, if the ipt has palyer exclusivity, i am sure no player will be allowed to enter into any appearnace contract without the express written consent of the ipt.

This may sound strange, but i wouldnt have ever imagined the day would come, that a player sent in his entry money for a future tournament, and decided not to play in it (turning stone) because the first place prize fund wasn't high enough. But i saw it today.
 
rackmsuckr said:
I don't think that KT is unwilling at all to let members play in non-IPT tournaments. It's just that the non-IPT tournament will need sanctioning by the IPT, which may or may not include a sanctioning fee, just like the WPBA does for their players.
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So he wants the rest to bow down to him.
 
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