Is Brianna Products Still In Business???????

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Problem Resolved With Brianna Products

EDIT TO POST. UPON A REQUEST FROM LEE I AM EDITTING THIS THREAD.
UNFORTUNATELY, I CANNOT CHANGE THE BANNER.

Bob Flynn

On Nov 1, I corresponded with Brianna on this post, ordering a leather-wrap set of tools. He responded by saying he had 1 set left. Within 15 minutes I PayPal'ed him $100.00. My credit card was been debited for $100 and Brianna has been credited the $100 thru PayPal. I have e-mailed him 3 times asking the status of the order. My e-mails have been ignored. And of course, as of this writing, no tools.



Respectfully,

Bob Flynn
Denal pool Cues
 
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i will be back tonight i am in pittsbrugh as far as i know we mailed out everyones orders if we forgot yours i will overnight it to you at my expense
i also will call tammy and see if she can figure this out before i return... her cell is 517 505 2654 you can also call her or call me my cell is 517 677 1468 we can always be contacted anytime....................lee
 
We Have Ignored Him I Posted Both Our Numbers Here A Few Mins Ago I Just Checked My Pay Pal Acc I Cant Find Him I Need You To Call Me And Give Me More Info We Are Not Ignoring You All Our Orders Are Shipped As Promised There Was No Need For This Type Of Email If You Have Problem Just Call Us Anytime

Tammy 517 505 2654 Lee 517 677 1468 Office 617 639 3190
Does This Appear To Anyone That We Are Trying To Avoid This Customer As Of Now He Has Never Contacted Us Asking Us Anything Just This Post So If Your Out There Call Me ....lee
 
QMAKER said:
On Nov 1, I corresponded with Brianna on this post, ordering a leather-wrap set of tools. He responded by saying he had 1 set left. Within 15 minutes I PayPal'ed him $100.00. My credit card was been debited for $100 and Brianna has been credited the $100 thru PayPal. I have e-mailed him 3 times asking the status of the order. My e-mails have been ignored. And of course, as of this writing, no tools.

I realize that this not the usual place to wave ones dirty laundry, but I also notice he uses these posts to advertise his products. My advise to anyone doing business with Brianna--be aware. Personally, I would not consider treating a paying customer this shabbily.

Lee, if you are lurking out there in cyber space, DO THE RIGHT THING.

Respectfully,

Bob Flynn
Denal pool Cues

Bob, Tammy here. I left a message on your voice mail and am awaiting your return phone call. There is no dirty laundry to wave here or anywhere else. A simple phone call would have sufficed. That said, what shall we do to make this wrong right?
 
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JBCustomCues said:
have you tried calling him? here is his # 517-639-3190

Our number is plastered all over the place, as is my personal cell phone. I am always willing to talk to anyone who is interested in our products. I never heard of this man befor today. No calls...ever. Tammy
 
Paypal

bob just send us a payment i have 1 set left at the hundred price as of 10:30 EST
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www.briannaproducts.com
since 1988
cue parts and cuemakers tools
sales@briannaproducts.com






Was Mr. Flynn given the proper email for paypal or could he have assumed that it was the email address listed on the page when he was told to send the money to Brianna? There's only one email there!!!!!!
 
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Rybord said:
Was Mr. Flynn given the proper email for paypal or could he have assumed that it was the email address listed on the page when he was told to send the money to Brianna? There's only one email there!!!!!!

I completely agree. Bob asked Lee about buying something. Lee said there was one left, just to paypal him and it was his. Lee did NOT in the communication provide the paypal email, though he suggested Bob simply paypal the money. If it is not on the web site specifically, some blame for the miscommunication should go to Lee. Bob tried to get Lee's attention, Lee gave him a quick answer, told him what to do, but did not equip him with the appropriate knowledge, and Bob did the best he could to follow Lee's directions.

I do think Bob could have called, and maybe his response here could have been tempered, but if you are going to use the forum as advertisements, if you are going to make multiple posts selling your products in multiple forums, you may have to accept the risk that a customer might not call you, and the customer might rely on the same form of communication you chose to use for the advertisement.

I have found that accepting partial culpability, deciding to work in a friendly manner to remedy the situation, and then quickly moving on is a very good advertisement in and of itself in situations like this.

Kelly
 
Kelly_Guy said:
I completely agree. Bob asked Lee about buying something. Lee said there was one left, just to paypal him and it was his. Lee did NOT in the communication provide the paypal email, though he suggested Bob simply paypal the money. If it is not on the web site specifically, some blame for the miscommunication should go to Lee. Bob tried to get Lee's attention, Lee gave him a quick answer, told him what to do, but did not equip him with the appropriate knowledge, and Bob did the best he could to follow Lee's directions.

I do think Bob could have called, and maybe his response here could have been tempered, but if you are going to use the forum as advertisements, if you are going to make multiple posts selling your products in multiple forums, you may have to accept the risk that a customer might not call you, and the customer might rely on the same form of communication you chose to use for the advertisement.

I have found that accepting partial culpability, deciding to work in a friendly manner to remedy the situation, and then quickly moving on is a very good advertisement in and of itself in situations like this.

Kelly

It makes no difference to me but I went back and read the original message and it does not say what you are quoting. There is no mention on Lee's part as to using PayPal. He just says make a payment and they will send it out. You are right that the message could have been clearer especially for someone in a sales type business as what good is offering something for sale if people don't know how to pay for it.

Dick
 
I bought the same tools. I didn't have the paypal address, so I assumed it was sales@brianna... and entered that as the paypal address. Paypal responded before I was able to proceed by letting me know this was an unregistered user. I canceled the transaction and PM'd Lee and he gave me the address. Items were shipped in a timely manner. I can see issues that both of you may have with each other, but if you had just sent a PM or given him a call, I think it could have easily been resolved. Now there is probably no hope for a satisfactory resolution for both parties.
 
Hi Guys,

I ran into a similar situation with a client payment sent to the wrong email address. Fortunately the email address he sent to had my correct domain. So it was an easy fixed to resolved the situation. I simply added the wrong email to my account in paypal and the fund transfer to my paypal automatically.

So I think if Lee added the Sales@domain.com to his paypal. The fund would transfer to his account and the good can be sent. This situation looks to me like a total misunderstanding and I have dealt with both Bob and Lee and these guys good to deal with.

I just don't understand why people have to add their fuel (2 cents) to the fire when they are not even part of the situation. I will like to see more Az members using this forum to help resolve situation more professional instead of making the situation worse by using it to air their frustration or to discriminate against someone. (Kelly, Tony, Rhncue comments are great...now that what all Az members should be doing ----helping each other out). Construction criticism is great and appreciated by everyone but when it get personal...please leave it out of this forum. If you don't have anything nice to say, something it's better you don't say it at all.

I understand that there are still a few members here that have a bone to pick with Lee for whatever reasons, I just don't think it appropriate for them to do it on our forum as it make us all look bad!! I would suggest you guys resolve your differences offline.
We all play a part in helping grow this industry and we all have a common interest in bringing billiard industry to the level that it should be...so why don't we just drop the bullshit and move on to help each in reaching our common goals!!

Just my thoughts and opinions.

Regards,
Duc.
 
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I think both were in a hurry!!

I think Bob was trying to get the item before it was gone but also in Lee's ebay auctions paypal is required. I think Lee inferred a paypal payment when he said "send us a payment" and didn't give any method other than the email under his banner. He has since changed that to the paypal address.

I think that Lee should list methods of payment accepted initially at the offering of an item just as he does on Ebay and there won't be any more confusion.

Also, Lee I appreciate the reduction in size of your banner. It makes reading these threads easier.

Thanks, Ray
 
Kelly_Guy said:
I completely agree. Bob asked Lee about buying something. Lee said there was one left, just to paypal him and it was his. Lee did NOT in the communication provide the paypal email, though he suggested Bob simply paypal the money. If it is not on the web site specifically, some blame for the miscommunication should go to Lee. Bob tried to get Lee's attention, Lee gave him a quick answer, told him what to do, but did not equip him with the appropriate knowledge, and Bob did the best he could to follow Lee's directions.

I do think Bob could have called, and maybe his response here could have been tempered, but if you are going to use the forum as advertisements, if you are going to make multiple posts selling your products in multiple forums, you may have to accept the risk that a customer might not call you, and the customer might rely on the same form of communication you chose to use for the advertisement.

I have found that accepting partial culpability, deciding to work in a friendly manner to remedy the situation, and then quickly moving on is a very good advertisement in and of itself in situations like this.

Kelly


I aggree also. It seems there is alot of extra comunication after the fact here in the thread that would be unwarranted, and be better settled in a more friendly manner. The simple answer that there was a mixup with the paypal address, and how can we get you taken care of would have been enough, and would settle the minds of most customers that may be reading here, and their thought's of dealing with someone. How was Bob to know the paypal address was different. Mistakes happen, and I can always look over that, but It could have simply been settled with an appology and left at that, to try and switch blame, well that tells Me alot about someone. Ever heard the phrase "The customer is always right"? I saw the thread also, and it just said send the money, no address was given if I remember correctly. I thought at the time that may cause problems, even that or the fact that I believe it was mentioned that only so many units would be sold at that price, which had me wondering if everyone was just sending payment without verification, if someone would get left out in the dark. He mentioned His emails were not returned, so who's court does the ball fall in. Chris Hightower does alot of bussiness, yet I can not think of one time He has not emailed me back, even when It may not have been that important, or bussiness related as this is. If this happens before the sale, then one not knowing better has to wonder what happens afterwards if there is a problem. It may be easier for a phone call, and I believe it is For Chris too, but he still answers his emails from people that prefer that type of comunication. I know because I am one of them. personally I don't see the problem, because I can't afford to stay on the phone all the time anyway if it were Me. Not just the cost of the call, but mostly the time away from work. It's much easier for me to email people back in My own time when I'm not right in the middle of something. Less calls missed that way too. The only time I call orders in with any of My suppliers is when I am making a large purchase and want to hook My rep up with the larger commission, and at the same time It benifits me, because I'm let in on deals or products that they do not always advertise or are too new to be listed.


Tammy You seem like a nice enough lady, so please do not rip into me here. I'm only trying to give an outside prospective to this situation from someone that has not dealt with You guys, but has been considering It.:) I've had troubles with others before that got aired out, They took care of it, I gave credit where it was due in return, and even made purchases afterwards that worked out fine. Comunication is key most of the time, and most issues can be resolved much better without showing offense and simply trying to resolve the issue to keep the customer happy. I know some people are never satisfied, but that doesn't seem to be the situation here. This is just a simple case of miscomunication.:) I think Bob's main thing is he wants the product. I'm sure taking care of that would have solved this problem much better, and that he would have reported it as so, as to make things right. That's just part of bussiness to me, sometimes it just takes a sqeeky wheel to get oiled.

When I consider doing bussiness with someone, I can easily look over mistakes or miscomunication, even a little heat from debate, but how well people resolve issues is what I look for in a bussiness partner. This is something I have to do Myself everyday. I go out of My way to that with My customers, and even loose money as a result sometimes, even when the ball isn't in My court, just to keep them happy.:) This one was, and still may be an easy fix in My eyes.;)

I've done days worth of work refinishing a cue just recently that someone smacked the heck out of several times. It was clearly abused, but I fixed It for free, and practically had to refinish the whole cue. This simply because I felt My finish could have been alittle harder then it was. This had nothing to do with the damage to cue though, because it was clearly abused, and had deep dents in it, any scuffs would buff right out. They didn't even expect me to do it for free, just wanted a quote, but while I had the cue in house, I went ahead and did It for free, with the stimplulation that it would be the last time, and the next refinish I would have to charge for.

My point is, This situation here would be an easy one for me. Not out any money or even really much time to resolve It, and make the customer happy, while saving face at the same time.

Greg
 
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I agree "Very Well Said"

I aggree also. It seems there is alot of extra comunication after the fact here in the thread that would be unwarranted, and be better settled in a more friendly manner. The simple answer that there was a mixup with the paypal address, and how can we get you taken care of would have been enough, and would settle the minds of most customers that may be reading here, and their thought's of dealing with someone. How was Bob to know the paypal address was different. Mistakes happen, and I can always look over that, but It could have simply been settled with an appology and left at that, to try and switch blame, well that tells Me alot about someone. Ever heard the phrase "The customer is always right"? I saw the thread also, and it just said paypal the money, no address was given if I remember correctly. I thought at the time that may cause problems, even that or the fact that I believe it was mentioned that only so many units would be sold at that price, which had me wondering if everyone was just sending payment without verification, if someone would get left out in the dark. He mentioned His emails were not returned, so who's court does the ball fall in. Chris Hightower does alot of bussiness, yet I can not think of one time He has not emailed me back, even when It may not have been that important, or bussiness related as this is. If this happens before the sale, then then one not knowing better has to wonder what happens afterwards if there is a problem. It may be easier for a phone call, and I believe it is For Chris too, but he still answers his emails from people that prefer that type of comunication. I know because I am one of them. personally I don't see the problem, because I can't afford to stay on the phone all the time anyway if it were Me. Not just the cost of the call, but mostly the time away from work. It's much easier for me to email people back in My own time when I'm not right in the middle of something. Less calls missed that way too. The only time I call orders in with any of My suppliers is when I am making a large purchase and want to hook My rep up with the larger commission, and at the same time It benifits me, because I'm let in on deals or products that they do not always advertise or are too new to be listed.


Tammy You seem like a nice enough lady, so please do not rip into me here. I'm only trying to give an outside prosective to this situation from someone that has not dealt with You guys, but has been considering It. I've had troubles with others before that got aired out, They took care of it, I gave credit where it was due in return, and even made purchases afterwards that worked out fine. Comunication is key most of the time, and most issues can be resolved much better without showing offense and simply trying to resolve the issue to keep the customer happy. I know some people are never satisfied, but that doesn't seem to be the situation here. This is just a simple case of miscomunication. I think Bob's main thing is he wants the product. I'm sure taking care of that would have solved this problem much better, and that he would have reported it as so, as to make things right. That's just part of bussiness to me, sometimes it just takes a sqeeky wheel to get oiled.

When I consider doing bussiness with someone, I can easily look over mistakes or miscomunication, even a little heat from debate, but how well people resolve issues is what I look for in a bussiness partner. This is something I have to do Myself everyday. I go out of My way to that with My customers, and even loose money as a result sometimes, even when the ball isn't in My court, just to keep them happy. This one was, and still may be an easy fix in My eyes.

I've done days worth of work refinishing a cue just recently that someone smacked the heck out of several times. It was clearly abused, but I fixed It for free, and practically had to refinish the whole cue. This simply because I felt My finish could have been alittle harder then it was. This had nothing to do with the damage to cue though, because it was clearly abused, and had deep dents in it, any scuffs would buff right out. They didn't even expect me to do it for free, just wanted a quote, but while I had the cue in house, I went ahead and did It for free, with the stimplulation that it would be the last time, and the next refinish I would have to charge for.

My point is, This situation here would be an easy one for me. Not out any money or even really much time to resolve It, and make the customer happy, while saving face at the same time.

Greg

Build your business with happy customers and you'll always have customers.
 
I'm not out to rip any one, and you are correct in your statement, I am a nice enough lady. :) I have apologized to Bob, and tried to figure this out. Being lamblasted isn't my way. I like nice. I like taking care of folks. If it's my mistake I fix it, usually if it's the customers mistake, I fix it too. No matter - it's a part of the business. But one needs to KNOW there is an issue. Not getting emails is a huge issue. Not getting transation notifications is a huge issue. Not getting any communication at all and then - this. Huge issue as I see it. I want a successful transaction everytime. But I need to know there is a transaction. It doesn't appear, I have no clue. I don't have a problem with fixing Bob's issue. I have a problem not knowing there was a problem to begin with. Communication is key. So that said, let me fix it Bob. As you can see, Lee's signature is now very plain. No more mix-ups from that.
 
The Brianna Snafu

To whom it may concern:

Well, besides some of the posts here and the private messages I got I still believe I acted in a rational manner. I sent the PyPal amount to the e-mail address posted on the message from Lee. See the message from him below.

bob just send us a payment i have 1 set left at the hundred price as of 10:30 EST
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www.briannaproducts.com
since 1988
cue parts and cuemakers tools
sales@briannaproducts.com


I PayPal'd the money to him within the 15 minutes I told him I would in a message back to him thru the same post. The money was sent to the e-mail shown above: sales@briannaproducts.com. My Mastercard was debited the next day, Nov 2. I waited almost 2 weeks and sent an e-mail asking the status of my order to sales@briannaproducts.com. No answer, sent another e-mail, no answer, sent another e-mail--no answer. Okay, considering his reputation, and the fact he uses this forum continously, I made my post.

Tammy called me today and explained that sales@briannaproducts.com does not exist (no explanation why it is on the post, and has been for quite some time) and that the funds were unclaimed. I explained to her that I was following the logical path by using the e-mail address posted. I was more interested in why the e-mail address posted did not exist than I was in the $100. She went off on a rampage.

As far as using this forum to air ones greviences about a vendor; this is what you get when you enter chat rooms, i.e., you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Respectfully,

Bob Flynn
Denali pool Cues

PS: I have made purchases from every vendor in the cue business, as well as sold to some. My transactions are always professional, courteous and prompt, both as a buyer and seller. Should I believe that I should expect less from Brianna Products?
 
Bob i did nothing wrong i contacted you right here on this tread this morning after i had gotten a call from a member i was out of town i still found the time to get my computer out and post a message to you. we get many orders i cant remeber everthing i use paypal for a final checks as to what has to be shiped out i also shiped out all orders wensday before i left town know one hear was trying to cheat you !!! and you sent the money to the wrong address and blamed me for your mistake and never once tryed to call me to see what the problem was... i even offered to overnight it to you if we overlooked your order ....how much more would you have liked me to do? then you try to blast me for no reason like i am a criminal it was your fault not mine i did nothing wrong then i see you added to your post

My advise to anyone doing business with Brianna--be aware. Personally, I would not consider treating a paying customer this shabbily.

be aware of what? i did nothing wrong here i didnt send the payment to the wrong address?? now how am i supose to treat you after you say the things you did should i kiss your butt ...cause you made a mistake ?? say what you want... then you treat my office manager like crap and hang up on her while she is trying to get to the bottom of this you must be a classy guy to talk to a lady like that.... would you care to have your wife or daughter spoken to like that? i dont think so... you owe her an apology .its easy for you to sit behind a computer and say things to poeple so many do that here i dont see them or you set up and selling there products at all the majorr tournaments or trying to make products to improve cuemaking i may be a little differant in some things but i am not a dishonest person.
 
but you have that email address on your website, and evidently posted it here as well. How would anyone know its not the right address? Why would that not exist if you have it on your OWN web page?
 
Rybord said:
I think Bob was trying to get the item before it was gone but also in Lee's ebay auctions paypal is required. I think Lee inferred a paypal payment when he said "send us a payment" and didn't give any method other than the email under his banner. He has since changed that to the paypal address.

I think that Lee should list methods of payment accepted initially at the offering of an item just as he does on Ebay and there won't be any more confusion.

Also, Lee I appreciate the reduction in size of your banner. It makes reading these threads easier.

Thanks, Ray
the ebay auction was for 30.00 more i offered him at 100.00 thanks lee
 
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