Is Brunswick still the top brand name anymore?

poolsnark said:
55 stores across 16 states. And this is a bad thing why? Shit, the only way pool tables are going to get into homes is if they're being sold at home entertainment stores (which is what both Ultimate Electronics and pool are - home entertainment). Although I'm sure some chippy "purist" will come in and say that they should only be sold by mom and pop billiards stores since they "know" pool. Whatev.
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You have to admit....If you have never been there and you hear the name Ultimate Electronics....it does not make you think of pool tables...but rather computers, TV's and things with........well...........electronics.

Last I checked there were no electronics options being offered on any brunswick pool tables.........but then again I did not even know Gandy was out of business.....:rolleyes:

Somebody in the brunswick marketing/sales dept. is missing the boat.....pun intended......You say 16 states (out of 50).............I am pretty sure there are at least 2 major furniture outlets in every state........and since purchasing a pool table for probably somewhere around 95% of the population IS like purchasing a piece of furniture perhaps furniture stores would be a better fit.....And no they don't have to be expert table mechanics or anything like that to sell a table...but a furniture salesman would be able to point out the "selling points" of the Brunswick line of "home" tables......which again for the same 95% of the population would be style, finish, wood grain, color etc...

These same salespeople could then refer the customer to a certified mechanics and probably get a jelly roll from the mechanic....

I doub't U.E. is anything much more than "which SKU do you want?"


BTW....I am a GC fan...I own a GC and think that when set up right are the best playing tables made....mine is just not set up right........yet.

You know what they say about the best product with the worst marketing vs. the worst product with the best marketing.......
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joelpope said:
whenever someone talks about a particular table they compare how it plays to a Gold Crown... for good reason, GC has been and will continue to be the industry standard

while "portability" is clearly a great feature for a tournament promoter using a casino or conference center as a venue where set up and tear down time relates directly to cost of production, "portability" has no value whatsoever to pool rooms or recreational owners

I have heard several pros express their preference for GC's over any other brand
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I used to be of that school of thought, pre-Diamond. When Diamonds came out, I had a poolroom full of Gold Crowns and I tried to convince myself that the Gold Crowns were still the best table out there, probably more because of my business than for any other reason.My Gold Crown II, in my home/shop was an exceptional Gold Crown. It had only been recovered 3 or 4 times since it was new, nearly 40 years ago, and was in pristine condition. I sold it so I could replace it with an Oak Diamond Pro. I now feel that there's no comparison. The Diamond is IMHO a much better table from a playability standpoint. I'll have to re-finish the top rails in a few years, since it's a furniture style table instead of having Formica railcaps, but that's a small price to pay for the quality and playability. I've heard some pro's state that they prefer the Cold Crowns, but I'm sure that's because that's what they play on in their home poolroom and have to adjust to the slight differences between the tables, when they go to an event played on Diamonds. If they played on Diamonds on a regular basis and didn't have to switch back and forth, I'm confident they's soon be staunch Diamond fans as well! JMHO after owning 15 Gold Crowns for many years and finally making the switch.
 
cuesmith said:
I used to be of that school of thought, pre-Diamond. When Diamonds came out, I had a poolroom full of Gold Crowns and I tried to convince myself that the Gold Crowns were still the best table out there, probably more because of my business than for any other reason.My Gold Crown II, in my home/shop was an exceptional Gold Crown. It had only been recovered 3 or 4 times since it was new, nearly 40 years ago, and was in pristine condition. I sold it so I could replace it with an Oak Diamond Pro. I now feel that there's no comparison. The Diamond is IMHO a much better table from a playability standpoint. I'll have to re-finish the top rails in a few years, since it's a furniture style table instead of having Formica railcaps, but that's a small price to pay for the quality and playability. I've heard some pro's state that they prefer the Cold Crowns, but I'm sure that's because that's what they play on in their home poolroom and have to adjust to the slight differences between the tables, when they go to an event played on Diamonds. If they played on Diamonds on a regular basis and didn't have to switch back and forth, I'm confident they's soon be staunch Diamond fans as well! JMHO after owning 15 Gold Crowns for many years and finally making the switch.
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Your kind of making an assumption about why some pros say they prefer Gold Crowns. Why is your preference for Diamonds based on your perception of playability but you are sure that any pros that prefer Gold Crowns must be just because that is what they are used to? The fact of the matter is that professionals have a lot of experience on both makes and for playability reasons some prefer the Brunswick over the Diamond and vise-versa. There are many players, both professional and amateur, that don't care for the playability of the deep shelf on the pro-cut Diamonds and also prefer the the rail shape of the Brunswicks as well as the flat / flush pockets of the GC4 & GC5 over the pockets of the Diamonds which are raised in the middle. Some also feel that Gold Crowns bank truer than Diamonds.

My point really is that most of the differences between the two are a matter of personal preference rather than fact as to which is better. They are both great tables.
 
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