On the other hand, flatulence is often fun to imitate.
Farting contests are fun, my wife can never beat me.
Farting contests are fun, my wife can never beat me.
Is imitation the highest form of flattery?
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BINGO you get GREEN they are Justis inspired I would say. I sent Jack a Link to his INSPIRED CASE as a courtesy so he know what is going on.
What do you think is going to happen Culo, Jack is going to cart wheels and send you a Justis case for your brilliant detective work.
I know thats what you're thinking but it probably ain't gonna happen.
Your own bestestest buddy makes knock off cases. The only difference is that he has all the excuses in the world to justify
his reasons.
I'd be willing to bet that Jack already knows whats going on re his business long before you do. Be nothing new to him.
But hey, if you can slurp a new case, more power to ya.
I know thats what you're thinking but it probably ain't gonna happen.
Your own bestestest buddy makes knock off cases. The only difference is that he has all the excuses in the world to justify
his reasons.
I'd be willing to bet that Jack already knows whats going on re his business long before you do. Be nothing new to him.
But hey, if you can slurp a new case, more power to ya.
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if they don't have a patent, they dont have a case. it has nothing at all to do with copyright law. I see chinese companies that rip off american companies everyday in accounting software (kingdee is a ripoff of quickbooks) social media software (weibo is a ripoff of twitter), weixin is a ripoff of whatsapp, SCEO korea rips off the BMW X5 design, just to name a few. Imitation is just a clear lack of creativity. I hope you post a side-by-side here on AZ as well as on the net for everyone to see the result. Just make sure you're 100% correct or ozone will sue for defamation.
Sir,
JB Cases are not copies of any other case maker's work. We do not take the ornamental designs of other case makers and apply them to our work.
Edit: I have been corrected by John. For the J.Flowers Tribute Series John picked what he felt were the most common arrangements of stamps and used them on the cases to have a call-back to the original J.EF Q Cases. He said that the designs used are not direct copies of any particular J.EF case. They are still elements of the ornamentation used. John said that there is a folder with a lot of J.EF Q Cases on our site, here, http://www.jbcases.com/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=10042 and a folder of J.Flowers Tribute cases here, http://www.jbcases.com/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=4051 to be used for comparison. John says it should be obvious that the J.Flowers tribute series are not copying the J.EF Cases.
If you think we do then please show us where this has been done. Our portfolio is here www.jbcases.com/casesbyname.html
and here www.jbcases.com/cases
There are hundreds of cases to be found under these two links. If you like could you please provide us with the links to the cases you claim we copied and the links to our cases which you claim are copies. When you do so we can address those cases in detail at that time.
The cases shown at the link provided by Cocobolo Cowboy show nearly verbatim knockoffs of designs done by Mr. Justis. I say nearly sir because I am not studied enough in the designs of Mr. Justis' work to find the original cases that Mr. Justis did for each of these examples to make a direct comparison.
When John uses the elements of cases done by any other case maker he is clear to give credit to that case maker. Using elements of other cases is what every case maker does. Mr. Justis did it with the J.EF Cases, Fellini did it with the Harvey Martin cases, It's George did it with Fellini as has Ron Thomas.
The only difference is that John proudly gives credit and innovates beyond what his predecessors have done. I believe that no where on our website will you find any example of knockoffs. What you will find are cases that were done across genres containing a lot of innovation. You can find a lot of that innovation here http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=209479
Addtionally, John and his team have made many original cases that stand well above the common designs http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=275592
I have created a thread with easy access to John's threads on cases and case making - http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=275368
Here you can see what my brother thinks when it comes to cue case making. He is not a copier and not a knockoff artist. He certainly has never done anything remotely close to the blatant design appropriation of Ozone's Justis knockoffs.
Please leave John and our company out of this thread. He has done nothing close to what you accuse him of. There is no reason to make this thread about our cases. Regarding personal attacks on John's character, John is not here to defend himself and I refuse to argue in his stead. I have spent six months studying cases and the group dynamics here. I understand that my brother has been abrasive and has made many enemies here.
With that in mind my only job is to present and defend the cases we make and the philosophy of case making that John holds. Thus it is only my duty to rebut your accusations. I have no personal bias in the matter.
Good day to you sir.
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If I had a brilliant idea or product I would Patent it.If I decided not to,
it would be because I don't think the money I would have to pay for
the Patent would justify the product. If people who have been in business for many years thought there designs were that special,they would Patent it,
so obviously they don't.If somebody has there heart set on a Justice,
they'll get a Justice no matter who copy's it.
For me I do the same when I'm buying cereal.I won't spend 5.49 on a box
of Captain Crunch so I buy the imitation cereal which costs 2.79 but they
call it Sailors Munch:thumbup:
it would be because I don't think the money I would have to pay for
the Patent would justify the product. If people who have been in business for many years thought there designs were that special,they would Patent it,
so obviously they don't.If somebody has there heart set on a Justice,
they'll get a Justice no matter who copy's it.
For me I do the same when I'm buying cereal.I won't spend 5.49 on a box
of Captain Crunch so I buy the imitation cereal which costs 2.79 but they
call it Sailors Munch:thumbup:
Imitation is another word for I copied your Design. Dennis Swift still IMHO make a Great Case for a Fair Price in the USA.
It certainly would be nice if we could "all get along" to quote Rodney King, absent that it certainly would be nice if we just quit pushing each others buttons and turning 6 post threads into 6 pages.
Some folks oughta get over themselves
But it IS nice to see the cowboy watching out:thumbup:
Some folks oughta get over themselves
But it IS nice to see the cowboy watching out:thumbup:
LOL. Coulda fooled me...
pj
chgo
Sadly the Patent is only as good has the MONEY you have to defend your Patent.
Like I said, you will have as many excuses as you need to justify your motives. I bet its a lot of fun typing in the third person and pretending you're Mike. A man of many talents, thats fer sure.
You do make GTF cases do you not? Least I thought you did. Hey, maybe its just Gerald Thomas Fellini that does.
They are very nice, I have 2 of them.
Maybe OZone should call the cases, Justis Tribute cases and be done with it.
But anyway Culo, You know that little story, the story that you know that I know. The one that you wish that I didn't know.
Its a bit of fun watching you sweat.
BTW, Welcome to AZ Mike. Has anyone ever told you that you type nice beeg paragraphs just like John does.
Say Hi to john for us. Oh, I forgot, hes standing over your shoulder telling you what to type.
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I live in Ontario. If you would like to visit me you are welcome any day. Any education that will help me to understand this business is appreciated. I post whatever information is relevant to address the topic. Yes we make GTF cases and they are not knockoffs.
If you want my phone number please request it by pm and provide yours and we can have a discussion if you like.
Have a good day sir.
Justis knockoff cases
I would personally like to praise Ozone Billiards for something you do not see everyday in the billiards industry......having integrity and being honest.
After talking to Shawn Gargano, owner of Ozone Billiards about the blatant copies of our cases shown on the Ozone Billiards web site, he immediately removed the listing of these specific cases without any demands from me. I briefly explained the agreement we had with the John Lin Case factory in using our designs was void when Mr. Lin failed to make the first payment due. Shawn was told by the factory that we authorized them to make the blatant copies. Guess that tells you something about Chinese integrity and honesty.
This gesture on Ozone Billiards part is worthy to be made known to all of you in AZ land who buys pool and billiard related products. If you want to deal with a company that has the integrity and knows right from wrong.....you can't do better that Ozone Billiards. We recommend them highly.
I would personally like to praise Ozone Billiards for something you do not see everyday in the billiards industry......having integrity and being honest.
After talking to Shawn Gargano, owner of Ozone Billiards about the blatant copies of our cases shown on the Ozone Billiards web site, he immediately removed the listing of these specific cases without any demands from me. I briefly explained the agreement we had with the John Lin Case factory in using our designs was void when Mr. Lin failed to make the first payment due. Shawn was told by the factory that we authorized them to make the blatant copies. Guess that tells you something about Chinese integrity and honesty.
This gesture on Ozone Billiards part is worthy to be made known to all of you in AZ land who buys pool and billiard related products. If you want to deal with a company that has the integrity and knows right from wrong.....you can't do better that Ozone Billiards. We recommend them highly.
An excellent outcome Mr. Justis. The actions of Mr. Lin however do not speak for the entire Chinese and Taiwanese race.
Mr. Lin was stealing designs long before you entered into business with him. In fact he still produces most of the cases that Ozone carries and most of them are unauthorized copies of other people's designs. For example, there are Whitten knockoffs, Instroke knockoffs, another Justis knockoff (embroidered), and Guiseppe knockoffs. Will Mr. Gargano take all these off his website as well?
John has written extensively about this and the fact that John Lin has been the largest design thief in cue cases for more than 20 years. I was there with John when the first copies of John's Instroke cases showed up back in 1998, made by Mr. Lin's company. I have had to listen to the story of you and John Lin over and over for the past year. So Mr. Lin's lack of integrity was well known long before you got into a deal with him.
In any event you have done quite well to have Mr. Gargano show a tremendous amount of character in removing these cases from the store. A victory for the small guy is always good.
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Of course he will stop selling them.
Someone go to the Ozone warehouse. I bet they are all out back in the dumpster. NOT.
Someone go to the Ozone warehouse. I bet they are all out back in the dumpster. NOT.
jbcases-mike;3635428 The actions of Mr. Lin however do not speak for the entire Chinese and Taiwanese race.[/QUOTE said: