Is imitation the highest form of flattery?
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You are entitled to your feeling sir. Just pointing out, on John's behalf, that Mr. Lin's deceit and design thievery go back a long way. John claims that the lost revenue from Mr. Lin's copies of the Instroke designs are easily more than 10 million dollars over the past 15 years. And the way I see it they continue since all the major outlets sell Instroke knockoffs.
You are probably the only case maker who actually got paid any money by Mr. Lin for copies made so in that sense sir you have already achieved a healthy victory.
If you choose to believe and propagate the idea that all Chinese and Taiwanese people are deceitful because of one interaction then you may do so. If you look at it in a different light you got a paid vacation to China and got paid for teaching Mr. Lin to do something he was going to do anyway. And according to John (Barton), John Lin had already made several Justis knockoffs in leather before you consumated a deal to allow him to use your name.
Anyway, congratulations that the direct knockoffs of your designs were pulled from one store's shelves. Hopefully you will find an honest Chinese person to balance your outlook.
This is the UMBRELLA THEORY at work, where everyone of a Race, Religion, Profession, etc. is equally responsible for all the wrong a Race, Religion, Profession etc. has done.
Sorry I guess I am more open minded on subject like these, as I tend to judge individuals, by their individual actions, and not put entire group of people under a single UMBRELLA because of the action of only a few BAD APPLES.
Had I used the UMBRELLA THEORY in my Business, the first time some PHOTO EDITOR CHEATED ME OUT OF ASSIGNMENT, OR STAND BY FEE. I would have had to close shop because of ONE BAD APPLE, as I would have had to PRE JUDGE ALL PHOTO EDITOR BY THE ACTION OF THAT ONE BAD APPLE.
Dude you seem obsessed with NEGATIVITY, and I think you need to have an OPEN MIND, and do some independent research, and find out there are some people who get little press doing wonderful things every day.
Could it be OZONE Billiard is one of those Businesses, who has SCRUPLES, and OPERATES HONESTLY. Yes it could be so.
Trust me there are businesses in the Billiard World who operate like in the old day when all you needed was mans handshake, and that handshake was as good as a written contract drawn up by some Harvard Lawyers.
HINT:
Mueller, Cue Sight (Sterling Gaming), JB CASES, Seyberts, and many more get my vote for people who do it right, and stand behind what they sell.
Kukla Cowboy. Me, negative? However, you see my posts, thats up to you. That doesn't stop me from calling them as I see them or speaking my mind on occasion.
Ozone might have been nice enuff to honor Jack's request to take them off the site but all I was saying is that I highly doubt, the cases in question got tossed in the garbage can.
They will get sold, maybe just not online. In fact, if I were to call Ozone tomorrow, I would be very surprised if I couldn't buy one of those knock offs.
Not everyone in the world can afford a custom case for 100's. Maybe they are ok to over look the fact that they are purchasing a knock off. Doesn't make it right but it doesn't make the need go away either
Ozone might have been nice enuff to honor Jack's request to take them off the site but all I was saying is that I highly doubt, the cases in question got tossed in the garbage can.
They will get sold, maybe just not online. In fact, if I were to call Ozone tomorrow, I would be very surprised if I couldn't buy one of those knock offs.
Not everyone in the world can afford a custom case for 100's. Maybe they are ok to over look the fact that they are purchasing a knock off. Doesn't make it right but it doesn't make the need go away either
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Well maybe you should spend your day on the telephone with OZONE, and report you finding after your phone conversation with OZONE.
If cowboy is going to be the official case industry police i wish him luck every case that has ever been made has been knocked off and will continue to be. I know when i design a new case model i dont have any other case in mind when i do it, but as a player i have seen a lot of cases and could never swear that some element of one of my cases can surely be found on another case. There is after all a structural element that must be met in order for a case to do what it is meant to do. As to patents a design patenet is only good to protect from an exact copy if there is a 15% difference in the entire product it would be considered a new product and therefor not a copy. Each person in a field such as this must let there own conscience be their guide.
Will do Bruce Swillis. First thing tomorrow morning, I will get right on it.
Are you interested in a case, maybe I can get you a good deal.
Start selling more of that chalk.
Are you interested in a case, maybe I can get you a good deal.
Start selling more of that chalk.
I have ZERO need or want for another Case. As I have a JB Masonite Case that rocks my boat.
But let be fair to the Owner of Ozone, maybe he is a person of his word. OMG would that be a good thing for the world of business.
But if you want to put the world of business under some microscope, Read "STEVE JOB" by Walter Isaacson, and it will open you eyes about Mr. Job, and how Apple because to be what it is. I would give the book a 10, :smile:
But let be fair to the Owner of Ozone, maybe he is a person of his word. OMG would that be a good thing for the world of business.
But if you want to put the world of business under some microscope, Read "STEVE JOB" by Walter Isaacson, and it will open you eyes about Mr. Job, and how Apple because to be what it is. I would give the book a 10, :smile:
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I have to agree with Mr Justis on this one.
Almost every company that opens a plant in China has their design stolen the very next day. They have non-Apple-affliliated Apple stores there with the logo on the building and everything. They sell iPads, iPods, and iPhones without the permission of Apple and without compensating Apple. Every tool manufacturer who has shipped work to China immediately sees ten different knockoffs hit the market. The ingersoll air tool plant has the knockoff tools coming down the very same production line as the Ingersolls -just with different labels on them. I wonder how much the cheap labor really saves these companies in the long run.
Maybe every Chinese person isn't a thief, but the entire Chinese government encourages the behavior and most every Chinese company is started by a thief. The last invention to come out of China was gunpowder.
Almost every company that opens a plant in China has their design stolen the very next day. They have non-Apple-affliliated Apple stores there with the logo on the building and everything. They sell iPads, iPods, and iPhones without the permission of Apple and without compensating Apple. Every tool manufacturer who has shipped work to China immediately sees ten different knockoffs hit the market. The ingersoll air tool plant has the knockoff tools coming down the very same production line as the Ingersolls -just with different labels on them. I wonder how much the cheap labor really saves these companies in the long run.
Maybe every Chinese person isn't a thief, but the entire Chinese government encourages the behavior and most every Chinese company is started by a thief. The last invention to come out of China was gunpowder.
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Coco,
The Chinese are the only company capable of stealing someone's product idea and going to production within a week. The problem is the Chinese do not honor patents or copyrights. Like Toyota constantly stealing Merceres' and other companies' designs, they don't have to pay for as much R&D staff, designers, engineers, etc.
Honda hasn't made a clone of anything from what I've seen.
You shouldn't bash American companies like you just did. In the US, companies cannot copy a product before the utility patent expires -in fifteen years I believe. This allows the company to recoup their design, testing, and startup costs and maybe even achieve a profit before the competition can horn in on the market. That inspires innovation and creativity. If any company can immediately steal an idea and get in on the early profits of the next widget, people will not be motivated to invent the next widget. Other than electronics, I steer clear of Chinese products and always will. We never shop at Wal-fare or any other Chinese dumping ground. China can suck my dick is basically what I'm trying to say.
The Chinese are the only company capable of stealing someone's product idea and going to production within a week. The problem is the Chinese do not honor patents or copyrights. Like Toyota constantly stealing Merceres' and other companies' designs, they don't have to pay for as much R&D staff, designers, engineers, etc.
Honda hasn't made a clone of anything from what I've seen.
You shouldn't bash American companies like you just did. In the US, companies cannot copy a product before the utility patent expires -in fifteen years I believe. This allows the company to recoup their design, testing, and startup costs and maybe even achieve a profit before the competition can horn in on the market. That inspires innovation and creativity. If any company can immediately steal an idea and get in on the early profits of the next widget, people will not be motivated to invent the next widget. Other than electronics, I steer clear of Chinese products and always will. We never shop at Wal-fare or any other Chinese dumping ground. China can suck my dick is basically what I'm trying to say.
Well you missed my point, and that point is US Companies, Spy on US Companies, and steal ideas. Wal-Mart is a US company that sells a lot of stuff, in most cases cheaper then the competitor, and employees a lot of people. but some time Wal-Mart's prices can be bet at Home Deport, or LOWES.
American Clothing Designer are victims every time there is some big celebrity event were the Stars wear a designer Dress costing THOUSANDS, as the
Designers are copies by other in the garment industry, and sold cheaper.
Go to any Major US City, and visit the local Swap Meet, or Flea Market you will find counterfeit good For Sale, Names like Coach, Duny & Burke, and Sports Memorabilia.
If you want to know who is filing the system it is the US Customs Service, who is not stopping counterfeit, and knockoffs from entering the USA.
When I lived in Sacramento we got a lot of Japanese Tourists, most visited the California Rice Co-Op. Most brought back a Bag of California Rice because they like the product. But the US Rice Farmers could not import much US rice to Japan, as Japan protected their own Rice Industry with HIGH IMPORT TAXES on US Rice. Maybe America should play turnabout in the Import Tax Game.
BTW I drive an Import because it was a better value at time of purchase than a US CAR. It has almost 100K miles on it, and is still kicking hard.
Many years ago I drove Ford's until I got a Lemon from Ford, and they ignore me their loyal customer, and never made the car work as good as my old dependable Fords that were for the most part 110% Trouble Free.