You guys could all be right, i do have slow cloth and could be jumping slightly. I would like to see this shot in slow motion myself because the shot should not go in. The only reason i think it was not jumping because i am not hitting it very hard but you never know it may have jump. If i film it again i will put the camera in line with the shot and pocket. Jeff
Is it possible to throw an object ball? Nope
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Thanx for participating in this thread...you're one hell of a player.
..gonna have to own one of your cues someday.
TheThaiger
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It's always deceptive to see whether a ball goes or not from the pocket side of the shot, but it looks potable without jump/swerve to me.
If anything, it also looks like it's curving away from the pocket to me.
TheThaiger
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If his cues make me shoot like that, I'm off to the bank.
Visiting Ron Vitello this weekend, I learned of something I did not believe at first. Can an object ball be thrown? I've always assumed "of course", as just about any book you read explains how to throw a ball. You put spin on the cueball, it strikes the object ball, transferring the spin and the object ball moves off its natural course. However, Ron claims it is impossible to throw an object ball.
Firstly, we are not talking about frozen balls, they can be thrown all day. What we are talking about specifically: a cueball striking an object ball, forcing/throwing the object ball along a different path by transferring spin from the cueball to the object ball. This cannot be done, says Ron. You are cutting the ball in every time, either by deflection or subconsiously aiming at a cut.
You don't believe either? Try setting up a shot that requires a slight cut to the pocket. Strike the cueball straight into the object ball, such that the cueball stops *dead*, attempt to "throw" the ball into the pocket. One of two things will happen: the cueball stops dead and the object ball moves straight forward (no throw) missing the pocket, or the cueball drifts/stuns to the side and the object ball goes toward the pocket (you just cut the ball in, no throw involved!)
It still seems odd, but I couldn't prove him wrong.
Excuse me, but this is nonsense: shooting perfectly straight at a ball with side spin, the cue ball will never transfer 100% of the throw energy onto the object ball and stop dead in its tracks! That energy works two ways, so the cue ball will "roll off" the object ball and thus slide sideways a little.
In other words, if you manage to make the cue ball stop dead in its tracks, this can only be done be not shooting straight at it - and that "inverse" angle one aims to compensate for the cue ball to slide off the object ball makes the shot look as if there were no throw on the object ball. However, one aims at it at an angle, yet throws it back into a straight line, remember?
Thus: a spinning cue ball (even if clean, more so when dirty) will throw the object ball off course upon contact - as well as itself!
Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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I think most people know this shot. will the 3 ball go in the corner dead center pocket? it will easy from where the cue ball is, but if you try to shoot the 3 ball dead center pocket using your cue no masse it will not go. i could be wrong here but i believe the 3 ball skids just a little before going on its natural path. The was trying to take the shot to the extreme limits by masseing it. i still dont know if it works it may have jumped a little. now move the cue ball over to the left side of the 3 ball it wont go, at least without jumping it. If you can't get the 3 ball to go center pocket try some right on the cue ball. Jeff
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They play better than anything I have owned. Definitely no secret though go to the Olney thread in the cue gallery and see some of his work. It is the longest thread on AZ. Over 50 pages of Candy.
But have you learned the controversial cue twisting and stroke swooping technique? It can be quite effective at swerving and turning the object ball once it is mastered. For those who haven't seen it yet, here's a demonstration:
Enjoy,
Dave
The way I make it, is to cut it well past the 9 with(inside) right english high, middle or low depending on position need & I don't care if it goes center pocket or hits the long rail & bounces off both sides of the pocket as long as it goes & I get my position. To shoot it from the other side I would shoot it it the same way but cut it a little less to negate some of the momentum push of the cue ball. It is harder & probably will hit everthing before it drops, if it drops.
just try this
Now I didn't read all the pages (as i try to do sometimes) as they felt to repeat them selfs "something that i observed is common here). But i do feel that i have come up with an end all to this age old question.
No need to set up balls with blockers and all that stuff wondering if you CUT the ball or not, simply take out you jump cue or use a shaft and place the CB about 4" from one end then place an OB what ever distance you want away from it, making sure that they are both touching the stick, next have a friend firmly hold the stick "i'm assuming that you know why" and now shoot the CB at the OB with your desired spin/english, it the OB travles down the stick then there was no throw and wait for it, wait for it................if it leaves the stick, then
BAM
you now have throw.
Now I didn't read all the pages (as i try to do sometimes) as they felt to repeat them selfs "something that i observed is common here). But i do feel that i have come up with an end all to this age old question.
No need to set up balls with blockers and all that stuff wondering if you CUT the ball or not, simply take out you jump cue or use a shaft and place the CB about 4" from one end then place an OB what ever distance you want away from it, making sure that they are both touching the stick, next have a friend firmly hold the stick "i'm assuming that you know why" and now shoot the CB at the OB with your desired spin/english, it the OB travles down the stick then there was no throw and wait for it, wait for it................if it leaves the stick, then
BAM
you now have throw.
Ok guys here is one for you. The shot is a stroke shot but hitting it under 1 mph. This may be one of my best because i have used it many times to win games. If you don't know the shot try it, its does amazing and uncanny things in that soft stroke. Here is how to do it, level cue and left center but use extreme max. left. Now here is the trick aim slightly LEFT one ball. The 1 ball can go straight in and not scratch, it may catch the tit. hopefully you guys will try is and let me know if you got it to work. When i shoot this i try not to even hit the tit to go down table for shape if needed. Jeff
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Depending on EXACTLY where the one(1) ball is in relation to the side pocket & the EXACT angle to the cue ball, I would shoot the shot AT LEAST two(2) different ways but hardly ever exactly as you described, with max 'center' english.
1. If you want the CB to go down table towards where the 1 ball is pocketed, hit 'high left, say about 10:30 give or take
2. if you want to come back away from where the 1 ball is pocketed hit it with low left, say about 7:30, or maybe low right, say about 4:30. both give or take a little
The EXACT 1 ball position shoud define the choice but it CAN be in a position where either can be done without scratching but also dependent on the EXACT angle of the CB.
Jeff, you're starting to hurt my head.
I have always hit that shot dead-on with right english to redirect the
1-ball into the pocket....and I have a good success rate.
Now I'm going to have to try this soon as I get to the room.
...but in the meantime...go back to work.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232451&stc=1&d=1341918319
Me too. Left spin should throw the 1 ball more into the rail rather than away from it.
pj
chgo
Is that a 1960'ish Brunswick Sport King? The cue ball looks huge!
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Jeff, you're starting to hurt my head.
I have always hit that shot dead-on with right english to redirect the
1-ball into the pocket....and I have a good success rate.
Now I'm going to have to try this soon as I get to the room.
...but in the meantime...go back to work.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232451&stc=1&d=1341918319
Well I'll be hornswoggled.
I showed to my friend and he did it first shot...he reminded me that he had
shown this to me and Alex 10 years ago.
He feels the left english is curving to miss the jaw...after it hits the ball.
First shot he got whitey to one diamond from the end rail.
Where you aim depends on your cue.
Once again, there's more than one way to skin a cat.....
...give us another one, Jeff
Well I'll be hornswoggled.
I showed to my friend and he did it first shot...he reminded me that he had
shown this to me and Alex 10 years ago.
He feels the left english is curving to miss the jaw...after it hits the ball.
First shot he got whitey to one diamond from the end rail.
Where you aim depends on your cue.
Once again, there's more than one way to skin a cat.....
...give us another one, Jeff
Glad you made it, the reason i like the shot is because you see it over and over so it is a very useful shot. I know the shot can be made with right but can you get down the table for shape with right. Two samples for 8 and 9 ball. It is a stroke shot but shoot easy. Jeff
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Decrease the angle a little at first and run the cue ball down table. Once this becomes easy for you start increasing the angle, extreme center left and shot easy. Once you find that aiming point and that needed stroke it will drop in over and over again. Jeff