Is it right to want to adjust the weight in a match, after losing 3 games?

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Monster player comes to town, offers 10/4 in One Pocket match up to a local player! After losing 3 games they want to adjust the weight from 10/4 to 10/5, is this right? So the local player lets them adjust the weight! They still lost!!! At $500.00 a game! Wow! All this happened at Buffalo's billiards the Worlds Pool hall, last night! Thanks for your input.
Many Regards,
Lock n Load.
 
Clock cleaning is free............they step up and accept the odds for the set...........its, excuse the pun " lock & loaded "......loose like a champ and say thanks for the lesson...........OTB
 
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i hope i correctly assume the "monster "lost " at 10-4
if thats true adjusting wasnt wrong unless he was sandbagging\
jmho
icbw
 
happens all the time
especially in games with people who don't know each other or
where big spots exist

also when it comes to adjusting,anything goes
sometimes after one game a person realizes he is in trouble
his opponent is making shots that he can never make

its never any certain number of games
 
If the games were not close then yeah it's ok to adjust that fast in one hole. If he lose 4-8, 4-9, 4-8, then I'd say no adjustment yet.
 
Lock N Load said:
Monster player comes to town, offers 10/4 in One Pocket match up to a local player! After losing 3 games they want to adjust the weight from 10/4 to 10/5, is this right? So the local player lets them adjust the weight! They still lost!!! At $500.00 a game! Wow! All this happened at Buffalo's billiards the Worlds Pool hall, last night! Thanks for your input.
Many Regards,
Lock n Load.
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I don't think adjusting after 3 games in one-pocket is out of line. That would be like adjusting after 2 or 3 short sets in 9-ball.

When would you adjust if you knew it was a bad game for you?
 
TheMadScientist said:
If the games were not close then yeah it's ok to adjust that fast in one hole. If he lose 4-8, 4-9, 4-8, then I'd say no adjustment yet.
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Agreed; I should have mentioned in my post that it definitely depends on how close the game are (or are not).
 
adjust weight

As my thought on this weight change while playing I don't think I would.
If my opponent adjusted weight I would have no problem with that.
Most every one has more than one cue. I think a change of cue would be
just as good or better. I may ask for some weight . take care, john
 
changing the spot

One hole is a tad different than playing sets. "Adjustments" can come a mite quicker. I ain't much on for changing horses in the middle of a race. I'm not a one hole player. I was never one much for taking weight either. I played players better than me and slowly moved up the ladder. The times I played champions when I was young I played hard, took my lumps and improved my game. If I am ahead in a game and my opponent starts whinning to change horses,I have always had a standard reply "Win it back the same way you lost it." Never, never, never give up control of that aspect of a match. If there is a change to be, you make it on your time, on your terms. Never let someone else set the pace or change it.

Renegotiation is a common practice for those who can get someone to agree. However if a game is truely out of hand the fellow on the losing end is likely to ask for adjustment. I don't necessarily blame him either. Setting weight is an art form, often painted by swindlers.
The outcomes of playing road players is often determined by who negotiates the best. It can be fastenating to watch the jousting back and forth.
 
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Hello Billy, Nice input.

billy bones said:
One hole is a tad different than playing sets. "Adjustments" can come a mite quicker. I ain't much on for changing horses in the middle of a race. I'm not a one hole player. I was never one much for taking weight either. I played players better than me and slowly moved up the ladder. The times I played champions when I was young I played hard, took my lumps and improved my game. If I am ahead in a game and my opponent starts whinning to change horses,I have always had a standard reply "Win it back the same way you lost it." Never, never, never give up control of that aspect of a match. If there is a change to be, you make it on your time, on your terms. Never let someone else set the pace or change it.

Renegotiation is a common practice for those who can get someone to agree. However if a game is truely out of hand the fellow on the losing end is likely to ask for adjustment. I don't necessarily blame him either. Setting weight is an art form, often painted by swindlers.
The outcomes of playing road players is often determined by who negotiates the best. It can be fastenating to watch the jousting back and forth.
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Billy, the problem was that these road players come to the big city to take down a local with big bucks. Not realizing that he plays fairly good for his bucks. So, now you find out that you did not get the weight right. And you get the adjustment, and still lose! The local player was nice enough to let them change the weight after the third game. How about that!!!
Many Regards,
Lock N load.
 
I don't understand what's so shocking. The "monster" clearly wasn't a monster. (Stupid name to call a pool player anyway IMO)

The local beat the spot and let him adjust cause he clearly thought he still had the nuts and apparently he still did.

Stuff like that happens all the time when you don't the true speed of the players involved.

If your dumb enough to be throwing around big bets without the info you should have had then you get what you get.
 
Lock N Load said:
Billy, the problem was that these road players come to the big city to take down a local with big bucks. Not realizing that he plays fairly good for his bucks. So, now you find out that you did not get the weight right. And you get the adjustment, and still lose! The local player was nice enough to let them change the weight after the third game. How about that!!!
Many Regards,
Lock N load.
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All road players come to take your money. As a general rule a local player willing to play a road player is no slouch. Quite often what a road player finds as local talent in a metropolitian area can be pretty stout. It's always fun to watch regardless of the outcome. Road players take loses too. Take enough of them and they become local players again.:D
 
Monster is a name for a good pool player-

RRfireblade said:
I don't understand what's so shocking. The "monster" clearly wasn't a monster. (Stupid name to call a pool player anyway IMO)

The local beat the spot and let him adjust cause he clearly thought he still had the nuts and apparently he still did.

Stuff like that happens all the time when you don't the true speed of the players involved.

If your dumb enough to be throwing around big bets without the info you should have had then you get what you get.
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That is why it is used!! A lot of threads on AZB use that word! The monster player plays great, he just missed a ball or two a game and he could not do that playing the local player!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Depends on the feeling. Sometimes it's far out of line and requires adjustment - other times it's just whining (me).

Last night I got into some $320 one pocket and we played all night with no adjustment. The guy took his beating like a man and lost $1600. I wouldn't have been so nice and been whining about everything and wanting to adjust - I am getting really nitty in my middle age.

Anyway this customer is coming back tonight for more of the same. Hopefully no one talks him into asking for weight because I might have to give it and try to outrun the nuts.

Often when I match up I will make a no-adjustment stipulation. I will require that we play ten or twenty games with no adjustment. That allows me to settle into the game and find out just what kind of a trap I am in and how best to get out it.
 
Lock N Load said:
That is why it is used!! A lot of threads on AZB use that word! The monster player plays great, he just missed a ball or two a game and he could not do that playing the local player!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree on what constitutes a "monster" player.

Played "great" while missing a couple balls a game in 1P. That sounds like me. ;)
 
RRfireblade said:
We'll just have to agree to disagree on what constitutes a "monster" player.

Played "great" while missing a couple balls a game in 1P. That sounds like me. ;)
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Hey RR, I bet you do not miss a couple of balls when playing 1 pocket! Thanks for your input!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
JDB said:
I don't think adjusting after 3 games in one-pocket is out of line. That would be like adjusting after 2 or 3 short sets in 9-ball.

When would you adjust if you knew it was a bad game for you?
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I would have started the match right in the first place! If I thought it was not right then I would quit, lick my wounds and pick my ego up and move on.... You can start over some place else playing someone else.
Many Regards,
Lock n load.
 
is it right or wrong?

There is no right or wrong move, other than cheating, when your gambling. I'm surprised the "monster" waited 3 games before asking to adjust. Road money is hard earned and to give it away like that is not a good thing.
 
hey Wags, you do not want to give up the money like that!

Wags said:
There is no right or wrong move, other than cheating, when your gambling. I'm surprised the "monster" waited 3 games before asking to adjust. Road money is hard earned and to give it away like that is not a good thing.
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And adjustment might have been needed in the monster players case! That is a lot of paper to lose playing only three games!! Thanks for your input.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
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