Is it the cue or the tip?

Another Guy Who Knows Of What He Speaks

"If the tip isn't junk or too soft or too hard for your liking, it's the cue as a whole"

Joey would certainly know. This is a very interesting subject since the terms "hit" "feel" "crisp" etc are so subjective.

FWIW-I've taken a McDermott laminated shaft and put it on several different cues of varying quality and notoriety and find they hit and play, to me, very very similar.
 
It's the tip

Bad tip will ruin even the best cue. On the other hand, I can take a good tip on a wall stick and kick ass.
 
A tip is like tires on a car!

Put slick tires on the best or most expensive car, and it still will not handle corners well during a rainy day...

So far as tips on cues goes, the WORST I have seen are those on bar house cues. Quarter shaped (almost flat) and slick with shiny spots even after chalking.

Stick this tip on the *best* cue and it will not do well...
 
wjpjr said:
If you want to learn somthing and have a $100.00 to piss away. go to a billard hall with a shaft repair station. Shoot for an hour or two and put on a different tip ..I think after several times of changing different tips you'll be very suprized !! As far a putting a $.50 tip on a $1k cue I'm not even going to go there !!! I'll take any advantage in my equipment I can get !! Bill
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How much are Elk Masters these days? $.50 to $1.00?

I'll put a milk dud (Elk Master soaked in milk for 24 hours, then compressed in a C-clamp tight as you can get it, and installed) on any cue, cheapie to extremely high end, any day...

In case you don't know, I prefer them to all the others I've tried (all the Mooris, all the Talismans, Le Pro, Triangle.)

Flex
 
I agree totally...

Gregg said:
I have a Sniper and Hercules tips on my Samsara shafts, and both feel very different from shaft to shaft.

I would have to seriously question someone saying that a tip has little to do with the overall feel of the hit of a cue.
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Sure different shafts have a lot to do with feel and deflection but ultimately it is the tip that last and finally affects the spin and hit on the cue ball!
 
I'll agree that the tip plays a part in the hit/feel of a cue, but the spin? No way... Anyone that claims they can "get more english" with a certain tip is full of it. I've heard that so many times, and I don't buy it for a second.
 
If you look at your list I think you will find that they are all production cues except for the Shurtz and maybe Jacoby.

I have seen and tried a Shurtz at the Derby and I would say both the cue and the tip. I think if you were to change the tip on the Shurtz you would still pick that one as the better of the cues in your group.

Players like and use a custom cue for a reason and it is not because they like to blow their money.
 
tip and spin on the cue...

seymore15074 said:
I'll agree that the tip plays a part in the hit/feel of a cue, but the spin? No way... Anyone that claims they can "get more english" with a certain tip is full of it. I've heard that so many times, and I don't buy it for a second.
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Let me ask you a question, pool is pure physics and geometry ! I believe we can agree on that ! if not read no further! :eek:

The tip being the part of the cue that only touches the cue ball it has to be the most important part in transferring power and the spin to the ball ! similar to anothers analysis / example of a tires importance in maintaing grip and control of a car on the road ! certainly suspension and other parts of a cars suspension help but if you have bald tires with a slick non compliant rubber on a pure race car it will not be able to transfer its energy to the tarmac!
Well it is the same with a cue! :D
 
Billy_Bob said:
A tip is like tires on a car!

Put slick tires on the best or most expensive car, and it still will not handle corners well during a rainy day...

So far as tips on cues goes, the WORST I have seen are those on bar house cues. Quarter shaped (almost flat) and slick with shiny spots even after chalking.

Stick this tip on the *best* cue and it will not do well...
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I am glad to see.......that not only do people agree with me
MrLucky said:
example of a tires importance in maintaing grip and control of a car on the road ! certainly suspension and other parts of a cars suspension help but if you have bald tires with a slick non compliant rubber on a pure race car it will not be able to transfer its energy to the tarmac!
Well it is the same with a cue!
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but they also use my analogy as well. Thanks guys.
 
seymore15074 said:
I'll agree that the tip plays a part in the hit/feel of a cue, but the spin? No way... Anyone that claims they can "get more english" with a certain tip is full of it. I've heard that so many times, and I don't buy it for a second.
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Well I guess myself and oh I dont know several THOUSANDS of players all over the world are full of it then....... :eek:
Listen, you like triangles, and thats great... you found a tip that works best for you. But coming across with close minded statements about other tips just goes to show your lack of willingness to learn anything. Its best to state your opinions as opinions, not as facts. Because when you say the things you do as if they were facts...... you are giving out misinformation.
Chuck
 
RiverCity said:
Well I guess myself and oh I dont know several THOUSANDS of players all over the world are full of it then....... :eek:
Listen, you like triangles, and thats great... you found a tip that works best for you. But coming across with close minded statements about other tips just goes to show your lack of willingness to learn anything. Its best to state your opinions as opinions, not as facts. Because when you say the things you do as if they were facts...... you are giving out misinformation.
Chuck
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Agreed. Thank you....this guy makes no sense.

The tip is the only thing that ever touches the cue ball. How is it then, that one can say changing a tip, will have NO effect on the characteristics of the hit. A softer tip will invariably "grab" the cue ball more, because it is in contact with the cue ball for a longer period of time, and also will compress and have a larger surface area during contact than a similar size, harder tip.

Then you have layered vs. regular tips. etc.......
 
RiverCity said:
Well I guess myself and oh I dont know several THOUSANDS of players all over the world are full of it then....... :eek:
Listen, you like triangles, and thats great... you found a tip that works best for you. But coming across with close minded statements about other tips just goes to show your lack of willingness to learn anything. Its best to state your opinions as opinions, not as facts. Because when you say the things you do as if they were facts...... you are giving out misinformation.
Chuck
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Look, all I can tell you is that I can play with any one of those tips mentioned...the tip is not as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. They are all similar quality, they will all grip the cue fine...
 
seymore15074 said:
Look, all I can tell you is that I can play with any one of those tips mentioned...the tip is not as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. They are all similar quality, they will all grip the cue fine...
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Fair 'nuff
 
jed1894 said:
I just completed a 6 hour cue stick test (homemade test and not very technical). I played 6 hours with 10 different cues and divided up the time with each. Without going into very boring details, I realize that I play best with my Shurtz (Bob Owen) and Moori tip. However, the Shurtz is the only cue I have with a Moori tip on it. So it's hard to tell if it's the tip or the cue. The other cues (Jacoby, Meuccis, Viking, McDermott, Action, Players, Dufferin, Lucasi) have Snipers, Elk Master, Le pros, and Triangles.

He's my question: for those of you in the know and may own a Shurtz, would you think it's the Shurtz or the Moori (medium)?

I know this is a very different question without more information, but I'm bored (waiting on the termite man to arrive at home) and thought I'd start up a topic.

JED
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It's both, you have to like the feel of the cue, weight, balance, grip, shaft size/taper etc. With that cue, in your case a Shurtz, change the tip.

Try a soft tip to a very hard tip. The tip changes the feedback to your hand and what you hear. If one thinks tips don't matter, try the extreme from a soft elkmaster to a hard black water buffalo or a phenolic tip. You'll find your range and in your case it appears to be the med moori. A tip hardness in that medium range is what you like best.

Rod
 
Like a few stated above, your stick is a system. Once you get the system you want it becomes, "not the arrow but the Indian".

I went through this for years on a precision rifle with different ammo loads, ie..bullet weight, powder charge, trigger pull weight, type of scope, barrel length, etc.....

All will effect your "shooting". No pun intended. :cool:
 
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