Is Ivory cue sticks going to raise? Cue Builders are unable to use Ivory since 2011.
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Why collect something you can't sell or ship without possibly going to jail or be fined for???
I do not believe what you wrote is true. Cue makers can not build with ivory but resale is fine within the USA. Overseas would be against the law.
Few makers still mess with it.Its illegal in a lot places. You are clueless.Ivory's days as a cue component are over.
Over in the gun world: this is known as face-to-face transaction.
Ivory on a cue can continue to be "what is already is" as long as the buyer and seller can arrive at a common place and perform the sale fact-to-face.
Otherwise, it's getting trickier and trickier to pull off using non-face-to-face transactions. Any intermediate party creates suspense and danger.
Ivory on a cue can continue to be "what is already is" as long as the buyer and seller can arrive at a common place and perform the sale fact-to-face.
Otherwise, it's getting trickier and trickier to pull off using non-face-to-face transactions. Any intermediate party creates suspense and danger.
I agree that Cue builders can NOT use ivory... they can fix ivory cues but that is about it, It is okay for used ivory cues to be sold, traded, etc, in the USA. Shipping overseas would be against the law. This is why it is very collectable.
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I am correct clown. Argue against it.
Do a search of the main forum for "ivory", this has been discussed a number of times. Below is the thread where it has been discussed most recently in that last day or two where you can hear some of the arguments.
The answer is that the demand for cues with ivory is crashing which in turn is going to make the values crash in time as well. There may be a temporary price increase on select ivory cues because of a relatively few holdouts like you that are in denial about what is ultimately going to happen and falsely believe that prices are going to increase long term, but they will come around before long realizing that supply is way, way outweighing demand and then they too will stop paying as much for it and then prices will fall drastically in the long term and never recover.
Ivory spelling?
Almost every for sale thread with a cue that has Ivory in it Ivory is Iv**y or "the good stuff" what's up with that?
forums.azbilliards.com
Not sure why you think what you are saying is correct (why people believe things when they could have easily looked up to see if it was actually true and found out that it was not is beyond me?), but you need to educate yourself because you are wrong. The link below will be a good start, and there are other sites that explain the laws in further detail.
Ok, here you go, from a post I made a couple of days ago.
"The market for cues with ivory has already gone down, and will continue to dwindle away, and one day the bottom is going to fall out with prices that plummet quickly, deeply, and permanently.
But but but but, less ivory equals higher price you are going to say. But that is only true when demand stays constant, but demand already has been, and is going to continue to, keep going down. No demand equals no value, regardless of how "rare" something might be. Demand drives value more than rarity does.
Here is what is making the demand go away which has already caused prices to drop some and will ultimately cause them to drop a lot. 1) It is too hard to buy, sell, and travel with cues with ivory in them and you are already extremely limited which is a major hassle. 2) The repercussions for breaking the laws are very stiff and already not worth risking ignoring for most people, and they are going to be looking to crack down on the lawbreakers even more and more as time go by so it is going to get substantially worse that it already is. 3) The threat exists that one day your options to sell aren't just limited and difficult, but will go away completely, and then you are stuck with your item forever and at that point it is essentially dead worthless outside of emotional value. 4) There is a negative social stigma against owning ivory, and it is only going to get worse, much worse, and eventually you aren't even going to be able to admit to having ivory much less be seen with it. 5) Contrary to what is in some people's heads (and it is indeed all in their heads), there is no need for ivory in cues these days as the feel and looks can be duplicated perfectly with other materials and those other materials come with every other advantage as well including cost, durability, ease of working with, lack of the environmental impact, etc.
All these factors and more are going to absolutely kill the demand for cue sticks with ivory in them which in turn is going to kill the prices."
Ivory spelling?
Almost every for sale thread with a cue that has Ivory in it Ivory is Iv**y or "the good stuff" what's up with that?
forums.azbilliards.com
The trouble with the internet tied up into one thread.
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Well hell, I lose again. My 2001 Rick Howard 4pt ebony/bem, full ivory joint, 1 ivory & 1 micarta ferrule
all mint condition, probably ain't worth trading for a used McDermott, so I'll just suffer with it.
I might just walk off and leave it at the pool hall, acting like I just forgot it. (Ebony prolly going down too).
all mint condition, probably ain't worth trading for a used McDermott, so I'll just suffer with it.
I might just walk off and leave it at the pool hall, acting like I just forgot it. (Ebony prolly going down too).
Omg the misinformation in here is laughable 
middleofnowhere
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The sale of African elephant ivory items across state lines (interstate commerce) is prohibited, except for items that qualify as ESA antiques and certain manufactured or handcrafted items that contain a small (de minimis) amount of ivory and meet specific criteria.
No kidding. This is it: Cue builders CAN NOT build cues with ivory since about 2011, BUT cues that are made with ivory are fully legal, can be sold and traded as long as not to overseas buyers. SO, they are and will be very collectable. I've read the law.Omg the misinformation in here is laughable
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I have never understood why people purchase cues for investment purposes. I'd bet the market for high dollar cues is shrinking year over year rather than expanding.
Regardless, do you really think they're likely to outperform more traditional investments like stocks/bonds/ETFs? All of these items are much more likely to appreciate in value, all while carrying less risk than investing in pool cues. They also have a huge advantage of being liquid, or easy to 'cash in', whenever you go to sell.
Regardless, do you really think they're likely to outperform more traditional investments like stocks/bonds/ETFs? All of these items are much more likely to appreciate in value, all while carrying less risk than investing in pool cues. They also have a huge advantage of being liquid, or easy to 'cash in', whenever you go to sell.
As of 7/6/2016 a Federal ivory ban was put into place. What this meant is that nothing new was supposed to be made using ivory after that date. There is no distinction after this point about pre-ban, etc. Any cue made after this date, with ivory, ANYWHERE is technically contraband. All sales of tusks are banned, as of this date.
Current status forgetting liberal dreams. There are 12 states and DC where it cannot be sold at all. That means there are 38 states where it still sells regularly and there is a market for it, and it is thriving. The stipulation is the ivory cannot be more than 200 grams, or the majority of value in the piece. That is 7 ounces. A butt is generally 14-16 oz so it would be rare that a cue actually exceeds the Deminimus requirement,
I have a format for a declaration of Deminimus that I have been told I can use. I spent 2 weeks developing this letter with the FWS. People have no idea and I will not put all the tech stuff here, but don't believe everything you read, especially here.
JV
Current status forgetting liberal dreams. There are 12 states and DC where it cannot be sold at all. That means there are 38 states where it still sells regularly and there is a market for it, and it is thriving. The stipulation is the ivory cannot be more than 200 grams, or the majority of value in the piece. That is 7 ounces. A butt is generally 14-16 oz so it would be rare that a cue actually exceeds the Deminimus requirement,
I have a format for a declaration of Deminimus that I have been told I can use. I spent 2 weeks developing this letter with the FWS. People have no idea and I will not put all the tech stuff here, but don't believe everything you read, especially here.
JV
