Is moving on the shot linked to your eye patterns?

troyroy78

troyroy78

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I have been struggling lately with moving on the shot, but through my observation i feel this is linked to my eye movements. As when i hit the cueball i look to see if its pocketed.

Am i correct in this?

Also can someone tell me when taking the final shot what do your eyes focus on? and how to you stop yourself from moving by seeing if the object ball is pocketed?


Thanks for the help

Roy
 
You should be looking at the object ball on your final stroke. If you have your eyes fixed on that contact point, you should be able to see the ball being pocketed on all shots except for some banks and kicks where the ball is out of your range of vision.

I am not sure to what extent you are moving, or when you are doing so upon delivery of your stroke.

Try to practice a finishing position, (freeze) in which you are not moving at all. Hold that freeze until all the balls stop moving. While in your freeze position, try to listen to the sounds of the balls. You will hear the ball if it is pocketed. With enough practice you will be able to tell if you pocketed the ball or not based just on the sound of it's collision with the cue ball.

In other words replace your eyes with your ears.

troyroy78 said:
I have been struggling lately with moving on the shot, but through my observation i feel this is linked to my eye movements. As when i hit the cueball i look to see if its pocketed.

Am i correct in this?

Also can someone tell me when taking the final shot what do your eyes focus on? and how to you stop yourself from moving by seeing if the object ball is pocketed?


Thanks for the help

Roy
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Thanks tony, sounds like good advice.i will practice it and let you know how I get on.

Roy

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Tony_in_MD said:
You should be looking at the object ball on your final stroke. If you have your eyes fixed on that contact point, you should be able to see the ball being pocketed on all shots except for some banks and kicks where the ball is out of your range of vision. ...and on those shots, you should be looking at the CB at impact!

I am not sure to what extent you are moving, or when you are doing so upon delivery of your stroke.

Try to practice a finishing position, (freeze) in which you are not moving at all. Hold that freeze until all the balls stop moving. While in your freeze position, try to listen to the sounds of the balls. You will hear the ball if it is pocketed. With enough practice you will be able to tell if you pocketed the ball or not based just on the sound of it's collision with the cue ball.

In other words replace your eyes with your ears.
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Good advice from Tony. How the eyes work best with the brain is one of the most important things we teach, that can help a student raise the level of their ability and the consistency of their play.

Scott Lee
BCA Master Instructor
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Since this is the eye pattern thread, since the eyes have to transition from ob to cb, wouldn't it be better to slow down the stroke and frequent stops at the cb ( every stroke ) instead of pumping strokes where your eyes cannot possibly be in sync with the tip ?
I'm quitting the pumping stroke for good.
 
Of course Joey- good thoughts-and correct :)

Some guys are trickying themselves, because having/using *terrible and wrong* eye-patterns.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Since this is the eye pattern thread, since the eyes have to transition from ob to cb, wouldn't it be better to slow down the stroke and frequent stops at the cb ( every stroke ) instead of pumping strokes where your eyes cannot possibly be in sync with the tip ?
I'm quitting the pumping stroke for good.
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Who says your eyes have to be in sync all through your practice stroke routine? Some players like to stroke fast and a lot as they prepare to shoot. In that type of warmup stroking --- the difference between the good players and and bad players are that the good players will start to slow it down as they get closer to their execution stroke. The bad players will go right into their execution stroke.
 
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Ok Fran- you won :P much better described :-)
But i am sure (from how i understood Joey) that his thoughts has gone into the same direction-just described it perfectly.
Like always- a pleasure to read your descriptions mylady^^
 
FranCrimi said:
Who says your eyes have to be in sync all through your practice stroke routine? Some players like to stroke fast and a lot as they prepare to shoot. In that type of warmup stroking --- the difference between the good players and and bad players are that the good players will start to slow it down as they get closer to their execution stroke. The bad players will go right into their execution stroke.
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True Fran.
Kim Davenport comes to mind. He doesn't complete do the stops but after a few pumps, he slows down a ton on the final strokes.
 
Ratta said:
Of course Joey- good thoughts-and correct :)

Some guys are trickying themselves, because having/using *terrible and wrong* eye-patterns.
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Some fool had none for years. :rolleyes:
Frequent stops on the cb and pulling straight from that spot on the cb is like getting a few rehearsed final stroke is how I feel now.
Some say pulling has nothing to do with the pushing but I don't think so.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Some fool had none for years. :rolleyes:
Frequent stops on the cb and pulling straight from that spot on the cb is like getting a few rehearsed final stroke is how I feel now.
Some say pulling has nothing to do with the pushing but I don't think so.
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Hehe,

in my opinion "Pulling" is the best word to describe it.
If you re using a pendulum stroke and you re adressed perfectly if it s about your stance, distance (stroking arm, bridgehand etc)-then you re just using your biceps and triceps by stroking back and forwards. A great key for using and executing a pendulum stroke is also the grip-not too tight, not to loose. The art here is, to let the cue do the work. Kind of throwing, if you re able to really let it go :-) In another posting Fran Crimi described this nicley.

lg from overseas,

Ingo, hoping that he has found the right vocabulary :p
 
JoeyInCali said:
True Fran.
Kim Davenport comes to mind. He doesn't complete do the stops but after a few pumps, he slows down a ton on the final strokes.
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Yep, Kim is a good example. Joey, if you take note of that when you watch the top players, you'll find that a lot of them do that. They like to get their arm moving first and then they gradually coordinate their eyes.

It's not that they're not already looking at the target from the start. They are. But the fine tuning takes place when the stroking starts to slow down.
 
Ratta said:
Ok Fran- you won :P much better described :-)
But i am sure (from how i understood Joey) that his thoughts has gone into the same direction-just described it perfectly.
Like always- a pleasure to read your descriptions mylady^^
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Well thank you very much, sir. It's always a pleasure to read your posts as well. :thumbup:
 
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