Is Pool a Sport?

JAM

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"...in billiards, you just walk around a table a few times...."

Man, reading those words in this recent article about sports really pissed me off, but then I read further and was pleasantly surprised. :)


OPEN MIC: THE DEFINITION OF SPORTS

What is a sport? Some say a sport can be something as small as curling.

Well the dictionary says that a sport is "an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.". Yet the dictionary also says a sport can be an "amorous dalliance" or "to mutate". So I'm not going to follow the dictionary, because I usually don't see Tony Romo and Allen Iverson mutating in the middle of a game into a merman. So here we go; the three rules that I think define a sport.

I will start off with stating every activity that most people view as a sport, and what I believe is a possible sport: football, baseball, hockey, basketball, soccer, volleyball, golf, tennis, poker, dance (cheerleading), competitive eating, cycling, cricket, swimming, badminton, auto racing, curling, billiards, boxing, BMX, track and field, field hockey, figure skating, lacrosse, fishing, gymnastics, rowing, wrestling, polo, rugby, and softball.

1. Physical action with skill. In the game you need to have some kind of action that involves skill where you are moving around or making contact with another player.

Poker, competitive eating, auto racing, billiards, BMX, and fishing are the only activities to not move on. Poker has absolutely no physical action at all (reaching for the potato chips doesn't count). Competitive eating also has absolutely no physical action (eating the potato chips doesn't count either).In auto racing you are just sitting in a car for a while, in billiards you just walk around a table a few times, in BMX you are on a bike most of the time, and in fishing you are mostly sitting.

2. Mental Action. In the game you need to have points where you need to think about what you are going to do and what you need to do.

Dance, curling, figure skating, gymnastics and rowing are the only activities to not move on. They don't move on because in each you already know what you are going to do before it. In dance, you know your moves before you go in. In curling, you there isn't much thinking involved during the action. In figure skating, you know your routine. In gymnastics you also know your routine. Finally, in rowing, there isn't much than can be thought about while you row.

3. Head-to-Head Action. At some point in the game you need to be going head to head with another. You need to be battling it out with an opponent.

That takes out none of the activities. At some point in each activity you are racing another, or going 1-on-1 with another.

So we are left with: football, baseball, hockey, basketball, soccer, volleyball, golf, tennis, cycling, cricket, swimming, badminton, boxing, track and field, field hockey, lacrosse, wrestling, polo, rugby, and softball.

That leaves twenty sports, which is a lot less than I thought there would be. I had no planning on sports before this. I just hopped right in and winged it. This is my list.

Some close calls were gymnastics, BMX, and rowing. They qualify for two of the three, but not all three. And that isn't enough to be a sport in my opinion.

All in all, the definition of sports is not a mutation or an amorous dalliance, but is physical action involving skill, mental action, and head to head action.


If only the Olympics would recognize pool as a sport, I think it would rise in popularity. I can envision Shane Van Boening holding the American flag as the American pool champions march out behind him on the Opening Night ceremonies of the Olympics.

I wonder if I will ever see that in my lifetime. :happydance: :happydance: :happydance:

But come this August 8, 2008, I will not see any pool players given the chance to show off their "head-to-head action" in the Olympics. :(

In the recent Qatar tournament, where only two Americans showed up, most likely due to how expensive it is to travel, it is their Olympic committee that seems to be pushing for pool in that country.

I read once that Niels Feijen is sponsored by his country's Olympic committee.

Would pool be a winter sport or a summer sport, I wonder. Do you think we will ever see pool as an Olympic sport? What needs to happen? I would be interested in reading any responses with some innovative ideas to get pocket billiards, billiards, pool, whatever you want to call it, into the Olympics. :)

JAM
 
I love pool and would love to see billiards in the Olympics but in my opinion there are other sports people would like to see in the Olympics first before billiards would get voted in. I hope it happens one day but I can see other sports getting in before billiards.
 
Should cuesports be in the Olympics? I'd love to see them there.

Do I care if people consider pool a "sport?" Nope.

A lot of pool enthusiasts think that for pool to be defined as a "sport" gives it more respectability and makes it somehow superior to mere "games." I don't agree. Take, for example, Chess. No one considers it a sport (it's "only" a game), but competitive Chess players are given instant respect.

The question isn't whether pool is classified as a "sport, "game," or something else, but whether the public recognizes the skill required to excel at it.
 
Tristan said:
Should cuesports be in the Olympics? I'd love to see them there.

Do I care if people consider pool a "sport?" Nope.

A lot of pool enthusiasts think that for pool to be defined as a "sport" gives it more respectability and makes it somehow superior to mere "games." I don't agree. Take, for example, Chess. No one considers it a sport (it's "only" a game), but competitive Chess players are given instant respect.

The question isn't whether pool is classified as a "sport, "game," or something else, but whether the public recognizes the skill required to excel at it.

Do you think that the skill required to excel in pool makes it worthy to be in the Olympics? I'm pretty sure you do, as do I! :)

Archery is in the Olympics, I had thought. There's not much physical activity in archery. It is a hand-and-eye coordination sport, much like pool.

As an aside, I actually used to be good in archery, with my 40-pound Bear bow.

There used to be a pool room in Morristown, Tennessee, that had an archery range right inside the pool room. The owner was an archery buff!

They have flag-waving in the Olympics -- FLAG WAVING, for gosh sakes. :eek:

JAM
 
JAM said:
Do you think that the skill required to excel in pool makes it worthy to be in the Olympics? I'm pretty sure you do, as do I! :)

Archery is in the Olympics, I had thought. There's not much physical activity in archery. It is a hand-and-eye coordination sport, much like pool.

As an aside, I actually used to be good in archery, with my 40-pound Bear bow.

There used to be a pool room in Morristown, Tennessee, that had an archery range right inside the pool room. The owner was an archery buff!

They have flag-waving in the Olympics -- FLAG WAVING, for gosh sakes. :eek:

JAM


Yes, I think it does deserve to be an Olympic competition. There are some current competitions that, I think, should be removed to make way for more deserving activities. First on my list is Walking. Yes, that's right, Walking is an Olympic sport.
 
Tristan said:
Yes, I think it does deserve to be an Olympic competition. There are some current competitions that, I think, should be removed to make way for more deserving activities. First on my list is Walking. Yes, that's right, Walking is an Olympic sport.

LOL! :D :D :D :D Now I've heard it all! :embarrassed2:

As an aside, these are some of the PAST sports of the Olympics:

Cricket
Power boating
Croquet
Rackets
Golf
Rink-hockey
Jeu de paume
Roque
Lacrosse
Rugby
Pelote basque
Tug of war
Polo
Water skiing


Tug of war, LOL!

What the heck is "Jeu de paume," aside from it being French?! :p

I'd never heard of it, but Wikipedia's got it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeu_de_paume

JAM
 

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JAM said:
"...in billiards, you just walk around a table a few times...."

Man, reading those words in this recent article about sports really pissed me off, but then I read further and was pleasantly surprised. :)


OPEN MIC: THE DEFINITION OF SPORTS

What is a sport? Some say a sport can be something as small as curling.

Well the dictionary says that a sport is "an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.". Yet the dictionary also says a sport can be an "amorous dalliance" or "to mutate". So I'm not going to follow the dictionary, because I usually don't see Tony Romo and Allen Iverson mutating in the middle of a game into a merman. So here we go; the three rules that I think define a sport.

I will start off with stating every activity that most people view as a sport, and what I believe is a possible sport: football, baseball, hockey, basketball, soccer, volleyball, golf, tennis, poker, dance (cheerleading), competitive eating, cycling, cricket, swimming, badminton, auto racing, curling, billiards, boxing, BMX, track and field, field hockey, figure skating, lacrosse, fishing, gymnastics, rowing, wrestling, polo, rugby, and softball.

1. Physical action with skill. In the game you need to have some kind of action that involves skill where you are moving around or making contact with another player.

Poker, competitive eating, auto racing, billiards, BMX, and fishing are the only activities to not move on. Poker has absolutely no physical action at all (reaching for the potato chips doesn't count). Competitive eating also has absolutely no physical action (eating the potato chips doesn't count either).In auto racing you are just sitting in a car for a while, in billiards you just walk around a table a few times, in BMX you are on a bike most of the time, and in fishing you are mostly sitting.

2. Mental Action. In the game you need to have points where you need to think about what you are going to do and what you need to do.

Dance, curling, figure skating, gymnastics and rowing are the only activities to not move on. They don't move on because in each you already know what you are going to do before it. In dance, you know your moves before you go in. In curling, you there isn't much thinking involved during the action. In figure skating, you know your routine. In gymnastics you also know your routine. Finally, in rowing, there isn't much than can be thought about while you row.

3. Head-to-Head Action. At some point in the game you need to be going head to head with another. You need to be battling it out with an opponent.

That takes out none of the activities. At some point in each activity you are racing another, or going 1-on-1 with another.

So we are left with: football, baseball, hockey, basketball, soccer, volleyball, golf, tennis, cycling, cricket, swimming, badminton, boxing, track and field, field hockey, lacrosse, wrestling, polo, rugby, and softball.

That leaves twenty sports, which is a lot less than I thought there would be. I had no planning on sports before this. I just hopped right in and winged it. This is my list.

Some close calls were gymnastics, BMX, and rowing. They qualify for two of the three, but not all three. And that isn't enough to be a sport in my opinion.

All in all, the definition of sports is not a mutation or an amorous dalliance, but is physical action involving skill, mental action, and head to head action.


If only the Olympics would recognize pool as a sport, I think it would rise in popularity. I can envision Shane Van Boening holding the American flag as the American pool champions march out behind him on the Opening Night ceremonies of the Olympics.

I wonder if I will ever see that in my lifetime. :happydance: :happydance: :happydance:

But come this August 8, 2008, I will not see any pool players given the chance to show off their "head-to-head action" in the Olympics. :(

In the recent Qatar tournament, where only two Americans showed up, most likely due to how expensive it is to travel, it is their Olympic committee that seems to be pushing for pool in that country.

I read once that Niels Feijen is sponsored by his country's Olympic committee.

Would pool be a winter sport or a summer sport, I wonder. Do you think we will ever see pool as an Olympic sport? What needs to happen? I would be interested in reading any responses with some innovative ideas to get pocket billiards, billiards, pool, whatever you want to call it, into the Olympics. :)

JAM


Well Jam I do consider Pool a Sport, Challenge, and something people can do almost birth to death. Maybe the writer never played.
 
What I want to know is whatever happened this:

On July 16, 1996 at its annual Assembly, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) ratified the decision of the IOC Executive Committee to grant provisional recognition to the World Confederation of Billiard Sports (WCBS) as a Recognized Federation.
According to a letter from Juan Antonio Sammaranch, President of the International Olympic Committee, permanent recognition will be decided at the next Assembly in 1997. Official recognition of the WCBS clears the way for billiards to be presented in the 2004 Olympics.

The WCBS was first organized in 1990 at a meeting of the three world governing bodies of the billiard sports: the World Pool-Billiard Association (WPA), the World Snooker Federation (WSF), and the Union Mondiale de Billiard (UMB, Carom Billiards). In 1992 , the WCBS held its first official General Assembly, and has been an established force in promoting cue sports on the world stage. North America is represented on the world stage by the Billiard Congress of America, a constituent of the WPA.

WCBS and WPA President Jorgen Sandman, still hard at work at the Olympics in Atlanta, has been a driving force behind the Olympic movement. In only six years, the WCBS has accomplished the herculean task of uniting three diverse cue disciplines in close t o 200 countries, due in large part to his devotion and perserverence. "I look forward to seeing our sport's athletes perform along side other Olympic participants as the spotlight is turned on us and our sport," Sandman stated.

"This is a tremendous step for billiard sports," said Don Shimel, President of the Billiard Congress of America and Public Relations Director for the WCBS. "Our primary objective in forming the WCBS has been Olympic recognition, and we are thrilled to hav e achieved this milestone."


The above was written by the BCA in July 1996: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~zacbell/olymp.htm

For Immediate Release

From: Billiard Congress of America
1700 S. First Ave., Iowa City, IA 52240

Contact: Kirstin Pires, Public Relations Coordinator
(319) 351-2112, Fax (319) 351-7767


JAM
 
I guess I am disgusted at seeing the advertisements on TV for the Olympics, with never a mention of pool.

Check this site out: http://www.olympic.org/uk/organisation/if/fi_uk.asp?id_federation=39

It is considered the "OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF THE OLYMPIC MOVEMENT" for pool. :joyful:

So then I click on the link for the World Confederation of Billiard Sports, the organization supposedly the one to get pool in the Olympics:
http://www.billiard-wcbs.org/

It looks like it hasn't been updated in years. When I click on the News link, it says: At this moment, no news online.

What about what's going on in Qatar right now? WTH! :angry:

JAM
 
I am certainly no expert on this subject... but I think it has to do with world-wide mass appeal and world-wide mass accessibility. Other noteworthy professional sports that are not included in the Olympics (but are otherwise multi-billion dollar sports) are American Football and Golf.
 
I love to play pool alot, but I am not sure where I stand on this subject.

I tend to think of pool as a game same as darts, horseshoes, bowling, redneck horseshoes, and others. It doesnt matter to me if people think its a sport or a game. IMO you dont have to be athletic to play games, however you need to be athletic to play sports. You dont need to be athletic to play pool.
 
There has been talk for years that said pool is close to becoming an Olympic event. it never seems to get any closer, I do know how people get behind the Olympic team nomatter what sport it is and so I believe that if it were to happen the impact would be comparable to what the Color of Money did for the sport.
 
Perk said:
I love to play pool alot, but I am not sure where I stand on this subject.

I tend to think of pool as a game same as darts, horseshoes, bowling, redneck horseshoes, and others. It doesnt matter to me if people think its a sport or a game. IMO you dont have to be athletic to play games, however you need to be athletic to play sports. You dont need to be athletic to play pool.

Fine, but if we decide that all Olympic "sports" need to require athleticism, then it's time to get rid of target shooting.

See, the problem is inconsistency. Since the Olympics have opened the door to competitions that do not require athleticism, pool now qualifies as far as I'm concerned.

Also, I disagree with the poster who suggested that pool should not be in the Olympics because of lack of worldwide appeal. Pool and related cue games are well known and popular in at least the following nations/regions: North America (Canada, US, and Mexico), UK, Germany, Spain, Russia, India, China (and Taiwan), Japan, Korea, Philippines, Australia, etc etc. Pretty world-wide.
 
Deal Me IN

Pool is a game, POKER is a sport.
Do you think it's easy to wear sunglasses and a hat, talk on your cellphone, eat chips and dip, smoke a cigar, drink Jack Daniels on the rocks, tell jokes, watch a ballgame on the giant screen, look at your cards, count and bet your chips and go to the bathroom, all without leaving your chair for 24 hours ?

Doug
( a 1st string athlete ) :)


Putting on my uniform to go to the stadium as I type.....


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Tristan said:
Fine, but if we decide that all Olympic "sports" need to require athleticism, then it's time to get rid of target shooting.

See, the problem is inconsistency. Since the Olympics have opened the door to competitions that do not require athleticism, pool now qualifies as far as I'm concerned.

Also, I disagree with the poster who suggested that pool should not be in the Olympics because of lack of worldwide appeal. Pool and related cue games are well known and popular in at least the following nations/regions: North America (Canada, US, and Mexico), UK, Germany, Spain, Russia, India, China (and Taiwan), Japan, Korea, Philippines, Australia, etc etc. Pretty world-wide.
Well known and popular in the US?? Since when? I have only one other friend who really follows "pro pool"... and she plays as well. None of my other friends even know there is anything to follow.
 
I really do not think pool becoming an Olympic sport would be of much benefit to pool, at least not in the US. Ever if pool was added to the Olympics, unless pool players start wearing ice skates, it would get no TV time in the US.

Being in the Olympics does not make a sport popular or add to the respect it deserves. For example, when was the last time you saw Handball on TV? Handball has been in the Olympics since 1972. Are the kids in your area flocking to Trampoline Gymnastics? I has been in the last two Olympics. I know we are all shocked that Roller Hockey has not become a major sport after it was included in the 1992 Olympics as a demonstration sport.

Point is, the Olympics will offer very little to pool. Honestly, I think the meager effort that is spent trying to get pool in the Olympics would be better spent promoting the sport in other ways.
 
I've always felt that a sport requires some kind of head to head physical aspect to it. i.e. your doing something (or your team is) at the same time that your opponent (opponents team) it trying to counter it.

Anything else that involves some kind of physics and is between participants I would call a competition. Competitions require a physical skill, but your opponent is not allowed to directly interfere with you when you are trying to perform it.

Anything else should be called a game.

Sports:
football, hockey, judo, baseball

Competitions:
pool, darts, golf, diving

Games:
chess, checkers, monopoly, poker

Just MHO.
 
Tristan said:
then it's time to get rid of target shooting.

I wouldnt consider this a sport, and I wouldnt watch this as an Olympic event.

If the Olympics are about getting games in, then pool should get in. IMO. However I dont think the average joe would get excited every 4 years to see which pool players are coming to play from their country. I would watch it as an avid pool fan however.

To be honest, I havent gotten into watching the Olympics since they switched the winter and summer games schedule to where its 2 years in between each. Seemed like it was more of an event when it was 4 years in between and you had both in the same year. So I guess I dont even know what games/sports are included now.
 
lodini said:
Well known and popular in the US?? Since when? I have only one other friend who really follows "pro pool"... and she plays as well. None of my other friends even know there is anything to follow.


How many of your friends follow pole-vaulting? Dressage? What about Archery?

It doesn't matter whether most people follow "pro pool." It matters that most people have some idea of what the game is. Try this: ask all your friends if they know what "pool" is and if they've ever played. Now ask them what they think of "Curling."
 
JAM said:
If only the Olympics would recognize pool as a sport, I think it would rise in popularity.

Sorry JAM, but not only is it never going to happen, it wouldn't do anything for the popularity of pool. If all it took was the Olympics to catapult a sport to the next level of popularity, wouldn't we be seeing people everywhere participating in curling, synchronized swimming and every other obscure sport that are currently in the games? I don't think we'll be seeing The World Series of Platform Diving anytime soon. And before anyone makes the ballroom dancing argument, keep in mind that what launched that into the stratosphere was Dancing with the Stars, not the Olympics.

Pool in the Olympics ain't nothin' but a false prophet.
 
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