Is practicing alone sufficient?

LOL!! So your brother-in-law was Steve Gumphrey? How interesting! When I saw your last name I wondered, but I figured, "Nah!!" :) I was raised in Auburn, Alabama and one of the first out-of-state women's tournaments I traveled to was the Steve Gumphrey Memorial in Jackson, MS about 1989 or '90. But unfortunately I never knew Steve or much about him. How good did he play? What happened to him? Do you have any cool stories?
 
runmout said:
LOL!! So your brother-in-law was Steve Gumphrey? How interesting! When I saw your last name I wondered, but I figured, "Nah!!" :) I was raised in Auburn, Alabama and one of the first out-of-state women's tournaments I traveled to was the Steve Gumphrey Memorial in Jackson, MS about 1989 or '90. But unfortunately I never knew Steve or much about him. How good did he play? What happened to him? Do you have any cool stories?


I played in one of those tournaments in Jackson. It was the 5th annual so was in 1989 I think. That time is sort of blurry since my husband, Bobby(d.12/26/90), Steve's brother, was sick with cancer at the time. I think when Steve died, he was ranked 32nd. He was a great player and I do have stories about him but have to think on them a little. I met Steve when I was 12 yrs old and I first discovered the pool room. When I started playing, I used to rack for him and watch - WHEN he was in town. I learned alot that way "playing" Steve and a few others. I got maybe 2 shots every 3 racks. Steve was a road player at age 16 - WHICH - his mother hated until he came home a few times and threw a couple grand at her. After that she worried about him but tolerated the road trips.

I went on a few local trips with him and some others. I learned alot then too. Steve and another friend, Geese, used to "hire" me to play on the table next to where he was playing so he wouldn't have any interference since I would only play on 3 sides of that table. I went to many local tournaments with Steve and some other local folks, around MD-DC-VA and sometimes further. Steve didn't mind losing the tournament since he had plenty of action after he was out of it. I spent many nights in the pool rooms. I also met many of the old timers; Irving Crane, Luther Lassiter, Cissero Murphy etc.. THat was when Buddy Hall, Jim Rempe & Mike Segal were becoming well known. Jack & Jill's had alot of Invitational Tournaments back then (Weanie Beanie's).Unfortunately, Steve didn't live long enough to be well known except to some of the players.

Bobby played a little bit too and I met him when I was 18 (after he did tour in Vietnam and lived down in SC for a while), dated him when I was 21, broke up but then married him when I was 27. I have 4 Gumphrey boys, one of them is named Steve. Steve & Clay (oldest) play some but are not serious about it. Like I said before, Clay's focus is baseball and he is very good at that. Steve plays pool too but right now pool is not a priority. Driver's licence is more important for him now. SO - I am the only serious player in this bunch for the moment. I play in 2 APA leagues and another, TAP/BCA league which takes up 3 nights a week although I usually play 5-6 nights.

Take Care,

Phyllis Gumphrey
 
Thanks, Phyllis, that was very interesting. I'm sorry about your husband - did cancer get Steve also? You're probably a heck of a player! Maybe we played in that tournament together, wouldn't that be something? :)
 
whitewolf said:
Very good point. I can only stand to play with the pocket tighteners about once a week, and then my maximum time is 3 hours before I start to scream internally about not making any shots. Pocket tighteners are very brutal, but as Crane would probably have suggested, they might provide the best solution for a player with only one table.

I don't want to beat this to death, but whenever I could I used to practice on a Gold Crown with tripple shimmed pockets. Then when I went to play in tournaments my concentration level was extremely high. Getting position was actually easier because I could cheat the pockets on big tables. One more thing to say, and I am sorry if it doesn't sound nice, but anyone who can't go from a tight table to a regular table, well, is an invalid with no talent whatsoever and shouldn't even be considering playing at the pro level. Just my humble opinion. Until you have tried (Wayne) this, and I can't tell if you have or not, speaking from experience is always better rather than citing what other people have said.

The jury is still out for me on whether I am responding to someone who is rational or not. First, it would be nice if you got your facts straight, someone was nice enough to point out that the women pro's play on 41/2" pockets in their tournaments after you had stated some of their tournaments were on "very tight pockets". Second, I wouldn't presume what Irving Crane or any other pro "would have suggested" to make what you are saying sound right. Third, very tight pockets might be correct for some, but, to presume it is right for everyone is a little "out there".
Four, since I do occasionally play at the pro level and have beaten a lot of pros I would say I do have "experiences" to draw from.

Please read my posts and quit making up things about what I said or didn't say.

Wayne
 
runmout said:
Thanks, Phyllis, that was very interesting. I'm sorry about your husband - did cancer get Steve also? You're probably a heck of a player! Maybe we played in that tournament together, wouldn't that be something? :)



WE probably did play in that tournament together. I think Tammy......(sorry, last name escapes me) won that in women's division. Tommy Kennedy won over Johnny Archer for the men.

Jean Balukas was at that tournament but don't really remember much. I was playing matches in between taking care of the family at the hotel etc. There is a group pic of all or most of the men along with Steve's wife, Peggy in the back pages here (probably p.70+ by now). I might be able to find it.

I do play pretty good for a girl. ;) LOL . I would like to get better.

Yeah, Steve died from melanoma in 1985 (one week before my first son was born). Caused by the sun. When he was home, he would do roofing jobs to make enough money to go back on the road and wouldn't wear a shirt or use sunscreen. People didn't think of that back then at least in the 70's when he probably got it. Their mother also died from cancer (ovarian) in 1980. Bobby was 1990 (colon cancer). Their 2 sisters are still alive but both have had colon cancer caught early and one has some sort of bone cancer but has been in remission for a couple years. We are hoping for the best naturally. The weird thing about this family history is that it didn't run in the family before (on either side) and in fact they were all very long lived people. Steve & Bobby's grandmother died about 6 yrs ago at age 96. All her sisters lived past age 85 and on the other side, one great- grandmother lived to I think age 98 and grandma was 80 something.

Thanks for the interest. Nice to know someone remembers him. BIll (Hemicudas) was a good friend of Steve's and probably has a million stories.

Phyllis
 
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I hope you make it back.

Hi Runmout,

I wish you all the best in your life, and I'm glad to see that you set your priorities (family should come way before work).

I was courious to see what a hi level player thought of this, I got it off one of the threads.This might help-----

In a 9-Ball Tournament race to 7

Dec.1997 "All About Pool" magazine, article by Bob Cambell
Handicap rankings
(pardon my poor para-phrasing)

D- Player
-will not run a rack
-average run is about 3 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, one out of 3 times
-rarely plays a successful safe

C-Player
-will probably run one rack, but usually not more than one
-avg. run is 3 to 5 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, two out of 3 times
-mixed results when playing safe
-inning ends due to botched position, missed shot or attempting a
safe.

B-Player
-Able to run 1 to 3 racks
-avg. run is 5-7 balls
-with ball in hand will get out form the 5, 2 out of 3 times
-most of the time a "B" player will play a "safety" which maybe hit
easily 2 out of 3 times
-a typical inning will end with a missed shot, a fair safety, or a
won game

A-Player
-will string 2 to 3 racks
-avg. ball run, 7-9
-with ball in hand, will be out from the 3 ball, 2 out of 3 times
-typical inning will end with a well executed safety or a win.

OPEN-Players
-average 8+ balls
-string racks together more than once in a match
-is a threat to run out from every ball, from every position, every



Would you say that this is an accurate definsion of the levels or is it way off, what are your thoughts on this, (me I'm a strong C according to this)???

I really want to know what level I'm at when asked, so I think this may be a good guide line (or maybe I'm totally wrong...

Thanks and good Luck

Pete
 
Hi, Pete. We were busy over the weekend so I didn't have a chance to respond till now.

I like that guideline - it sounds like a good gauge to assess a pool player's ability. Which thread did you get this from? I'd say that it's a pretty darn accurate and reliable gauge.

Good luck with your game also and thanks for the well wishes!
 
Monday - Long Shots
Tuesday - Position
Wednesday - Bank, Kick & Jump Shots
Thursday - Carom, Cluster, Combo Shots, & Scratch Shots
Friday - Cut shots
Saturday - Straight & Masse' shots
Sunday - Frozen balls & Break Shots

Bill,
Could you elaborate on what is involved in each day of practice.

Thanks,
Jim "preacherman"
 
Phylbert57 said:
I think Tammy......(sorry, last name escapes me) won that in women's division..

It is quite possible that you are referring to Tammy Wesley Jones.
 
Thanks again, Phyllis, for the info. That sure is tragic about all the siblings!! I wonder why cancer hit that whole generation so hard.

Maybe someday, somewhere I'll see you at another tournament, if we both keep playing! Good luck with your game!

Kerry
 
drivermaker said:
SJM...I think I'd like to challenge your claim. Noooo, not her name. The fact that you're the youngest old schooler. :cool:

Well, DM, let me state my case. I began going to the Golden Q poolroom in Queens, NY, in 1966 as the ripe old age of eight. My father played pool with his friends once a week, and he took me with him. Still, I didn't hang with my dad and his pool buddies, as my dad depositied me in the bleachers by the two exhibition tables, leaving me to sweat the action until his game was finished. Straight pool was usually the game played on the always-in-use exhibition tables, and the rest was one-pocket. Many of the legends frequented the Golden Q from time to time, including Onnofrio Laurie, Gene Nagy, Mike Eufemia, Steve Mizerak, Jack Colavita, Joe Balsis, Pete Margo, Ray Martin, Luther Lassiter, Irving Crane, John Ervolino, Eddie Taylor, Cornbread Red, and Frank McGowan. I saw all of them play.

By the time I was eleven, though I had yet to hit my first ball as a pool player, I had watched the old timers and stars of the day light it up for three years, and had learned to understand and appreciate what they were doing.

I began playing pool at age eleven in 1969 when my father bought his dream house with a pool table. I wasn't particularly talented, but I played straight pool and felt somewhat knoweldgeable because I had watched the masters so much. Over the next fifteen years, I attended nine world straight pool championships and always knew a lot of the players, as they remembered me as the kid that watched them play at the Golden Q. Sometimes, I'd sweat the matches with them, and some, Irving Crane in particular, were happy to explain some of the play to me. I'm not and never have been a top player. I've run 91 balls in straight pool and once ran a six-pack in nine ball, but more than a few in NYC can beat me comfortably.

I guess it's because I had so much exposure to the old school players as a youth growing up in New York City that I always reckoned that I was the youngest old schooler on the planet.

Seems safe to say that I'm among the younger old schoolers, though at the ripe old age of 46, I'm not so young anymore. Still, you'd be hard pressed to find a lot of people younger than 46 that have seen more of the old schoolers than I have.

Well, DM, that's my story. Hope it didn't put you to sleep.
 
sjm said:
Well, DM, let me state my case. I began going to the Golden Q poolroom in Queens, NY, in 1966 as the ripe old age of eight. My father played pool with his friends once a week, and he took me with him. Still, I didn't hang with my dad and his pool buddies, as my dad depositied me in the bleachers by the two exhibition tables, leaving me to sweat the action until his game was finished. Straight pool was usually the game played on the always-in-use exhibition tables, and the rest was one-pocket. Many of the legends frequented the Golden Q from time to time, including Onnofrio Laurie, Gene Nagy, Mike Eufemia, Steve Mizerak, Jack Colavita, Joe Balsis, Pete Margo, Ray Martin, Luther Lassiter, Irving Crane, John Ervolino, Eddie Taylor, Cornbread Red, and Frank McGowan. I saw all of them play.

By the time I was eleven, though I had yet to hit my first ball as a pool player, I had watched the old timers and stars of the day light it up for three years, and had learned to understand and appreciate what they were doing.

I began playing pool at age eleven in 1969 when my father bought his dream house with a pool table. I wasn't particularly talented, but I played straight pool and felt somewhat knoweldgeable because I had watched the masters so much. Over the next fifteen years, I attended nine world straight pool championships and always knew a lot of the players, as they remembered me as the kid that watched them play at the Golden Q. Sometimes, I'd sweat the matches with them, and some, Irving Crane in particular, were happy to explain some of the play to me. I'm not and never have been a top player. I've run 91 balls in straight pool and once ran a six-pack in nine ball, but more than a few in NYC can beat me comfortably.

I guess it's because I had so much exposure to the old school players as a youth growing up in New York City that I always reckoned that I was the youngest old schooler on the planet.

Seems safe to say that I'm among the younger old schoolers, though at the ripe old age of 46, I'm not so young anymore. Still, you'd be hard pressed to find a lot of people younger than 46 that have seen more of the old schoolers than I have.

Well, DM, that's my story. Hope it didn't put you to sleep.


You made your case...I rescind the challenge...you win hands down...and now I feel worse because it's just somebody else that's younger than I am. This aging process stinks!

You really should feel lucky to have experienced all those great players. Very much younger and you would have missed or not appreciated them and their great play.
 
drivermaker said:
You made your case...I rescind the challenge...you win hands down...and now I feel worse because it's just somebody else that's younger than I am. This aging process stinks!

You really should feel lucky to have experienced all those great players. Very much younger and you would have missed or not appreciated them and their great play.

Thanks for the nod of approval, DM. Also, thanks for making me feel young at 46.
 
sjm said:
Thanks for the nod of approval, DM. Also, thanks for making me feel young at 46.

SJM,
You know, your attendance at recent 9-Ball events has been noted. Are you sure you are not vying for oldest new schooler???
 
preacherman said:
Bill,
Could you elaborate on what is involved in each day of practice.

Thanks,
Jim "preacherman"


Sure. I placed it in a separate thread called "My Daily Practice".
 
Williebetmore said:
SJM,
You know, your attendance at recent 9-Ball events has been noted. Are you sure you are not vying for oldest new schooler???

Willie, I was wait-listed at the new school. Perhaps some day I'll gain admission.
 
sjm said:
Willie, I was wait-listed at the new school. Perhaps some day I'll gain admission.


Something tells me that Willie might be much further up on the admissions list anyway. :D And Willie, if you say anything about where I stand in line...I'll be sending my good pal Bubba up there to pay you a visit.
 
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