Is proper shaft diameter not stressed enough?

[Shooter08]

No, but I would...

Well, if every Filipino player used a Moochie, would you then call moochies
a Filipino cue?

Funny this English language of ours(theirs?).

Dale

No, obviously a Meucci is a American trade marked brand. You may be able to call it "The cue of choice of Filipinos" if your example were the case. Now if the majority of players from one country intentionally all shot left handed only, I would call them Lefties. None of these examples really has anything to do with the "Filipino Bridge", what is the technical name for it anyway?

 

[pdcue]

No, obviously a Meucci is a American trade marked brand. You may be able to call it "The cue of choice of Filipinos" if your example were the case. Now if the majority of players from one country intentionally all shot left handed only, I would call them Lefties. None of these examples really has anything to do with the "Filipino Bridge", what is the technical name for it anyway?

Sorry, they have everything to do with it.

You have just won your argument with yourself - it should be referred to as:
"the bridge preferred by most Filipino players".

Tech Name? Pool ain't Golf, or Baseball.

I would call it a type of closed bridge, though the more common version is of a
'looped' first finger squeezed between the thumb and second finger.

Do you happen to have any thoughts on bridging with various diameter shafts?

Dale

 

[Shooter08]

Sorry, they have everything to do with it.

You have just won your argument with yourself - it should be referred to as:
"the bridge preferred by most Filipino players".

Tech Name? Pool ain't Golf, or Baseball.

I would call it a type of closed bridge, though the more common version is of a
'looped' first finger squeezed between the thumb and second finger.

Do you happen to have any thoughts on bridging with various diameter shafts?

Dale

BRIDGE. (General) The hand configuration that holds and guides the shaft-end of the cue during play.

CUE. (General) Tapered device, usually wooden, used to strike the cue ball to execute carom or pocket billiard shots. (Also called cue stick)

You are comparing a man made device to a hand configuration. Respectfully I am not seeing your point, just that you are trying to win a useless debate. Now i definitely will be calling it a "Filipino" Bridge, since many people now associate the bridge style to Filipino players. I think I will call a open bridge a "UK" bridge now as well. lol

 

[HawaiianEye]

It is?..... Well I guess Willie didn't get the memo on this day

Willie Mosconi used a variety of closed bridges throughout his playing days. I have watched plenty of his tapes (those that are available) and have read his books since I first began playing in the 60s.

The reason I noticed Willie using the #2 bridge on many of his shots is that it is considered somewhat "not the normal" closed bridge that you see players using. Most use a version of #1 and they usually don't grip the cue as tight in their bridge.

I use a closed bridge on the MAJORITY of my shots and I prefer the shaft diameter of a cue to fit snugly between my fingers when I am using the #2 bridge. That is my ideal size. Anything smaller than 12.5 feels too small for my grip.

Aloha.

 

[ddadams]

You know, I went from a 12.75 to 11.75 to 11.2-3 for a year and a half.

Never thought I'd go up from that. It just WORKED.

Then I bought my Tibbitts with a 12.9 and 13mm shaft.

I've never played better. I'm a couple balls better in the last month now.

I don't know what's right anymore buy I don't care now lol

 

[skins]

Willie Mosconi used a variety of closed bridges throughout his playing days. I have watched plenty of his tapes (those that are available) and have read his books since I first began playing in the 60s.

The reason I noticed Willie using the #2 bridge on many of his shots is that it is considered somewhat "not the normal" closed bridge that you see players using. Most use a version of #1 and they usually don't grip the cue as tight in their bridge.

I use a closed bridge on the MAJORITY of my shots and I prefer the shaft diameter of a cue to fit snugly between my fingers when I am using the #2 bridge. That is my ideal size. Anything smaller than 12.5 feels too small for my grip.

Aloha.

Post 1 video capture shot or picture that clearly shows Willie using the "#2" bridge...

 

[bdorman]

The two primary components of success of any bridge are stability and gravity. Provide a stable spot for the cue to rest and gravity will do the rest. You'll see lots of top pros use a closed bridge with quite a lot of room for the cue to pass through, ala Strickland. Corey Deuel seems to do pretty well with 99% of his shots from an open bridge.

The key is that the lowest point of the bridge (where the cue meets the fingers) is stable. It doesn't have to be tight. (one might argue that a tight bridge is inherently unstable since the taper of the cue will alter it during stroke)

I've always defined a Filipino bridge as one in which middle, ring and pinky fingers form a tripod so you have a stable bridge without the palm/heel of your hand on the table...as seen in the photo below.

Of course, this guy's probably a banger.

 

[Bavafongoul]

It's trial and error and also keep in mind the taper has a lot to do with how the shaft feels and plays. Putting that aside for now, I found that 13mm cues felt better with a long taper and center ball & also with
1 - 1 1/2 tips English played the best of all the shaft sizes. I used a lot less English and relied upon angles and throw more than English which caused me to pay more attention to cue ball speed on the shot.

Anyway, I just shot better than if I had played with a different size shaft. I am not implying that I could not apply 2 tips of English with 13mm shafts......of course, I can. I just found it was easier to apply 2 tips of
English using a shaft that was smaller.......and by trial and error I decided that 12.6 -12.8mm shafts felt the best and allowed me to play the best. There are going to be certain shots.....like an 8 ft. cut shot to a
corner pocket or a frozen object ball on the kitchen rail and you lay on the other end of the table.....I shoot those shots better with a 13mm shaft than I do a 12.6mm shaft. So when I play competitively, I assemble
two cues that are no further apart than 1/10th oz weight and both have the same flat ivory joint........one cue will have a 13mm shaft and the cue I'll mainly play with typically has a 12.7 size or thereabout. Like in
golf where you can use any club, I switch cues when a 13mm shaft allows me to control the cue ball better. It doesn't throw me off at all since my cues are all so close in specs and I typically only switch cues for
the longest, toughest shots.

However, in terms of a complete game of pool, like required in 14.1 where a variety of different shots are needed and 1/2 table position is essential in order to set up your break shot, I find I play better with a
smaller diameter shaft than 13mm. Again, the shaft taper has a lot to do with how the cue feels and plays and I prefer a taper length of 13-14" and shafts weighing 3.8 ozs or heavier when the shafts are 12.8mm
or smaller and at least 4.0 ozs, preferably heavier, when the shafts are 13mm or close.

Since I play with cue butts that are very light (14.4 - 14.7 ozs), the shaft weight is very important and light weight shafts just don't feel the same as a heavier weight shaft plays with a light cue butt & ivory ferrules
and cue joint. There's a different vibration and you need a wee bit more stroke as well than if the shafts were 1/2 oz. heavier........a different feel and different stroke energy. I'm speaking of short distance cue ball
control of under 2 - 2.5 ft. A heavier shaft just makes the cue feel better, at least for my game it does,

Matt B.

 

[Shooter08]

4.25 oz shaft

It's trial and error and also keep in mind the taper has a lot to do with how the shaft feels and plays. Putting that aside for now, I found that 13mm cues felt better with a long taper and center ball & also with
1 - 1 1/2 tips English played the best of all the shaft sizes. I used a lot less English and relied upon angles and throw more than English which caused me to pay more attention to cue ball ball on the shot.

Anyway, I just shot better than if I had played with a different size shaft. I am not implying that I could not apply 2 tips of English with 13mm shafts......of course, I can. I just found it was easier to apply 2 tips of
English using a shaft that was smaller.......and by trial and error I decided that 12.6 -12.8mm shafts felt the best and allowed me to play the best. There are going to be certain shots.....like an 8 ft. cut shot to a
corner pocket or a frozen object ball on the kitchen rail and you lay on the other end of the table.....I shoot those shots better with a 13mm shaft than I do a 12.6mm shaft.

However, in terms of a complete game of pool, like required in 14.1 where a variety of different shots are needed and 1/2 table position is essential in rder to set up you break shot, I find I play better with a
smaller diameter shaft than 13mm. Again, the shaft taper has a lot to do with how the cue feels and plays and I prefer a taper length of 13-14" and shafts weighing 3.8 ozs or heavier when the shafts are 12.8mm
or smaller and at least 4.0 ozs, preferably heavier, when the shafts are 13mm or close.

Since I play with cue butts that are very light (under 14.4 - 14.7 ozs), the shaft weight is very important and light weight shafts just don't feel the same as a heavier weight shaft plays with a light cue butt and ivory ferrules and cue joint. There's a different vibration and you need a wee bit more stroke as well than if the shafts were 1/2 oz. heavier........a different feel and different stroke energy. I'm speaking of short distance
cue ball control of under 2 - 2/5 ft. A heavier shaft just makes the cue feel better, at least for my game it does,

Matt B.

I've been shooting with a Runde 4.25oz shaft with original Micarta ferrule on a STL3 which I have not weighed, I won't be buying any shafts less than 4oz again. I'm hoping the ash shaft I have on order comes in at 4 or greater or it may be up for sale quick.

 

[pdcue]

BRIDGE. (General) The hand configuration that holds and guides the shaft-end of the cue during play.

CUE. (General) Tapered device, usually wooden, used to strike the cue ball to execute carom or pocket billiard shots. (Also called cue stick)

You are comparing a man made device to a hand configuration. Respectfully I am not seeing your point, just that you are trying to win a useless debate. Now i definitely will be calling it a "Filipino" Bridge, since many people now associate the bridge style to Filipino players. I think I will call a open bridge a "UK" bridge now as well. lol

And I would not have expected anything less illiterate... considering

Dale(captain of the usage police)