IS REVO 12.4 THE LOWEST DEFLECTION CARBON SHAFT??
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I've been seriously thinking about trying that Cynergy 11.8
8BALL EDDIE
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Through my own testing, I actually found the Cuetec Cynergy shaft to have a slightly truer hit than the Predator Revo. Also, Viking's new Siege - FULL carbon fiber shaft - has less cue ball deflection than both. Unlike all the other carbon fiber shafts on the market, it's not just sheets of carbon fiber layered and glued around a core. It's carbon fiber wound in a single process, making it more consistent and smoother. I've also found it to have less vibration feedback than the Cuetec Cynergy.
I've always been, and will always be, a maple shaft traditionalist. However, if I were to recommend a carbon fiber shaft, it would have to be Viking's new Siege shaft.
I've tried 10 different brands, lowest deflection is the Revo. Hope the 11.8 coming out this upcoming month is just as good.
Not true. Revo is filament-wound not flag-wrapped. Pretty sure Cynergy is the same. I don't think Viking knows as much as they think about their competitor's products. I've heard good reports on the Siege. Need to test one out.
8BALL EDDIE
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Yes, less effective cue ball deflection.
More specifically...
On a 9-foot table, I made a target on the end cushion. Then, I hit the cue ball with varied tips of both left and right English, at different speeds.
The result: The Cynergy actually hit closer to the target more consistently than the Revo. Better than both, the Siege hit the target every time.
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No such beast. They'd re-write laws of physics if they pulled that off.
8BALL EDDIE
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Take my input with a grain of salt.
These are simply my results, through my own testing and after table time with those three shafts. Every player/playing style may find varied results.
The best advice I can offer:
Try to get your hands on every product you're interested in possibly purchasing. Carbon fiber shafts aren't cheap. Get some table time with each and compare for yourself. What may suit one person, may not work for everyone. Whatever you do, don't just follow hype or listen to others - certainly, not some stranger on an internet forum.
G's right - a squirtless cue is impossible. At that distance/speed/cue angle squirt is probably low enough that swerve counteracts all of it - so (for that particular shot) "effective squirt" is zero.
pj
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Although I have spent way too much time writing emails and forum posts. I still have not found a font that illustrates my sarcastic tone.
I read somewhere on here that the 12.9 Revo actually has less squirt than the 12.4 Revo. I've played Predator since about 1998, but haven't made the jump to CF yet.
The Predator Revo will be coming out with the new 11.8mm, white or black vault plate options, in a couple of weeks. 
Yep but not by much. Was told the 12.9 has thinner walls at the tip end so it gets out of the way a little faster.
My experience with CF shafts is very limited. I hit with a REVO a few times including once hitting two inch balls on a snooker table. I purchased a Cynergy 11.8 blind. It was months between my last hit with the REVO and play with the Cynergy so I won't try to make too much of an exact comparison as far as total deflection goes.
The REVO grows very little from the tip until well up the shaft. If we believe the images on the Predator site, the REVO is a wrapped CF thread lay-up much like a fishing rod at least in part. I have no reason to doubt the images.
The Cynergy is a different kettle of fish. I read somewhere that the only carbon fiber in a Cynergy shaft runs in single threads basically from tip to joint. I can't remember where I read this and I think it was secondhand info so take that with a grain, maybe a pinch of salt.
Now for what isn't debatable about the Cynergy. It ain't a skinny shaft! The shaft gets thicker rapidly from tip to a point 5.5" from the tip. Then there is an abrupt change in taper, very noticeable under the fingers, and the taper from there back a ways would be called a pro taper. I haven't taken any measurements on the Cynergy but factory claims and my experience with this shaft match.
The Cynergy is a little easier to play with than a 13mm solid maple shaft, all I can compare it to right now. I don't like it as well as the REVO and think I will be sending it down the road when and if the 11.8 REVO becomes available. I was hitting with an 11.8 REVO, I assume a prototype. Things that seem intuitive can be false with these CF shafts. Those looking for solely lowest deflection may want to wait until the 11.8 REVO is out awhile before jumping on it. Independent tests indicate the 12.8 REVO is slightly lower deflection than the 12.4 REVO. My guess is that the bigger diameter allows a thinner wall at the same strength. For whatever reason, the reasonable assumption that the smaller diameter shaft would be lower deflection seems to be false. I think the 11.8 will be lower deflection than the 12.4, but may be little different than the 12.8. Unless the deflection is another step down from the 12.8 I don't think there will be much market for a skinny shaft just for the way it feels in a bridge, might be wrong though!
All I know and a little speculation tossed in for lagniappe.
Hu
The REVO grows very little from the tip until well up the shaft. If we believe the images on the Predator site, the REVO is a wrapped CF thread lay-up much like a fishing rod at least in part. I have no reason to doubt the images.
The Cynergy is a different kettle of fish. I read somewhere that the only carbon fiber in a Cynergy shaft runs in single threads basically from tip to joint. I can't remember where I read this and I think it was secondhand info so take that with a grain, maybe a pinch of salt.
Now for what isn't debatable about the Cynergy. It ain't a skinny shaft! The shaft gets thicker rapidly from tip to a point 5.5" from the tip. Then there is an abrupt change in taper, very noticeable under the fingers, and the taper from there back a ways would be called a pro taper. I haven't taken any measurements on the Cynergy but factory claims and my experience with this shaft match.
The Cynergy is a little easier to play with than a 13mm solid maple shaft, all I can compare it to right now. I don't like it as well as the REVO and think I will be sending it down the road when and if the 11.8 REVO becomes available. I was hitting with an 11.8 REVO, I assume a prototype. Things that seem intuitive can be false with these CF shafts. Those looking for solely lowest deflection may want to wait until the 11.8 REVO is out awhile before jumping on it. Independent tests indicate the 12.8 REVO is slightly lower deflection than the 12.4 REVO. My guess is that the bigger diameter allows a thinner wall at the same strength. For whatever reason, the reasonable assumption that the smaller diameter shaft would be lower deflection seems to be false. I think the 11.8 will be lower deflection than the 12.4, but may be little different than the 12.8. Unless the deflection is another step down from the 12.8 I don't think there will be much market for a skinny shaft just for the way it feels in a bridge, might be wrong though!
All I know and a little speculation tossed in for lagniappe.
Hu