Is the "Scoop Jump" a Foul if...

[Jen_Cen]

done accidentally, say, in the attempt to shoot a shot with mega-draw?

If touching the CB with the ferrule is a foul, then many miscues should be fouls. Sometimes people miscue and still make a legal shot...what is the proper ruling?

 

[Tokyo-dave]

My take on the wording of any rules has had me always thinking that yes, a miscue is a foul, however I've never actually seen it called before. I have also always wondered why it's considered an illegal jump and a foul to scoop the cb up from the bottom, but to miscue while trying to draw isn't? Basically, in both situations, the exact same thing is happening. I too would like to hear from others.
dave

 

[Pushout]

done accidentally, say, in the attempt to shoot a shot with mega-draw?

If touching the CB with the ferrule is a foul, then many miscues should be fouls. Sometimes people miscue and still make a legal shot...what is the proper ruling?

With one-foul-bih rules, it's a foul if you don't hit the object ball or a rail after hitting the ball. That's about it, far as I know.

 

[mullyman]

done accidentally, say, in the attempt to shoot a shot with mega-draw?

If touching the CB with the ferrule is a foul, then many miscues should be fouls. Sometimes people miscue and still make a legal shot...what is the proper ruling?

Very gray area here. If I was playing someone and they scooped the ball with the intention of jumping, yeah, I'd call it a foul. But, if they were obviously attempting a draw shot and miscued, the ball jumped but still hit the object ball, I wouldn't call foul on it. I honestly don't know what the official rules are though.
MULLY

 

[ronhudson]

done accidentally, say, in the attempt to shoot a shot with mega-draw?

If touching the CB with the ferrule is a foul, then many miscues should be fouls. Sometimes people miscue and still make a legal shot...what is the proper ruling?

Depends on the rules you are playing under and maybe what game you are playing. In the BCA's new rules, miscues are mentioned:

1.32 Miscues
A miscue is not a foul if the shot is otherwise legal.

Other leagues and rulemaking bodies may have different rules. Ask someone that would know the rules in your specific circumstances.

 

[mullyman]

My take on the wording of any rules has had me always thinking that yes, a miscue is a foul, however I've never actually seen it called before. I have also always wondered why it's considered an illegal jump and a foul to scoop the cb up from the bottom, but to miscue while trying to draw isn't? Basically, in both situations, the exact same thing is happening. I too would like to hear from others.
dave

Actually, both situations aren't exactly the same. Scooping the cue ball isn't necessarily a miscue. When I was a teenager, before I learned the real way to play, I was really good at jumping balls by shooting way below center.

I also think it may fall down to intentions. It's obvious if it's a miscue on a draw shot or attempting to jump over a ball. Interesting to hear what the official rule is though as something like this could lead to arguments.
MULLY
I hate this game sometimes

 

[dr_dave]

scoop and miscue foul info

done accidentally, say, in the attempt to shoot a shot with mega-draw?

If touching the CB with the ferrule is a foul, then many miscues should be fouls. Sometimes people miscue and still make a legal shot...what is the proper ruling?

I have this covered fairly well here:

http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/fouls.html​

See the "scoop" and "miscue" sections.

If judged "unintentional," a scoop jump is not a foul.

Regards,
Dave

 

[sjm]

A scoop jump shot is usually, but not necessarily a foul. Even if unintentional, there is a rule that if you hit the cue ball with the ferrule, it is a foul, and this sometimes happens on an unintentional scoop jump.

 

[cigjonser]

I'd guess that if there was no interfering ball between the CB and the OB, then it would just be ruled a miscue since there would be no reason to jump there. If there was a ball between them, then it would probably be ruled a foul.

Just a guess, but seems logical to me.