Is there any harm in breaking with your playing cue?

I was wondering about this too. Mainly because I got my first low deflection shaft today from a deal I made here. Am I safe to break with my z2 ?
 
I stopped breaking with my break cue a couple months ago because I felt more comfortable with my player. So far no ill effects. But, I do not have what you would call a monster break. My question to those who have broken shafts, etc., at what speed are you breaking ? Steve
 
I stopped breaking with my break cue a couple months ago because I felt more comfortable with my player. So far no ill effects. But, I do not have what you would call a monster break. My question to those who have broken shafts, etc., at what speed are you breaking ? Steve

I did not get clock till I was 42 with a torn rotator cuff and hit 29.7 so who knows what I was hitting them in my early 20s the last cue I broke was in my early 30s. Last yr at 52 I hit 23.9 so I'm not worried about it now
I think MD has a break in the mid 30s


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I stopped breaking with my break cue a couple months ago because I felt more comfortable with my player. So far no ill effects. But, I do not have what you would call a monster break. My question to those who have broken shafts, etc., at what speed are you breaking ? Steve

People breaking shafts are just plain doing it wrong , nothing to do with speed.

I've been clocked in the low 30s numerous times with a cue with an Ivory joint and not a single issue. Ferrules ? Yeah , I've cracked an occasional ferrule but snapping a cue at the joint is 100% user error.
 
"if my cue isn't good enough to break with, it's not good enough to play with."

I prefer to break with my playing cue. We used to say "if my cue isn't good enough to break with, it's not good enough to play with." :thumbup:
 
Sounds as though if you are breaking under 20mph there is probably little concern with doing any damage to your player. Thanks Guys, Steve
 
I don't know if there is anything wrong with breaking with my playing cue, but I just don't do it. I have a break cue and if something happens to it , oh well. I would hate for something to happen to my Z-shaft.--Smitty
I was wondering about this too. Mainly because I got my first low deflection shaft today from a deal I made here. Am I safe to break with my z2 ?

While it gives me no pleasure to contradict vapoolplayer, I've been told by a Pechauer rep and a Predator rep that I should NEVER break with my Z² shaft.

Honestly, it's supposed to be worse than crossing the beams in Ghostbusters.
 
Shane breaks with his playing cue and he hits them fairly hard

I used to play with a guy(hmmm, probably could have worded that better....) who had a shaft which looked thinner than a z2. He would break with it, and would totally crush the rack. I don't know how many times I was sure he was going to shatter this toothpick of a shaft. Watched him do it for years without hurting the shaft.

Also, I would imagine the z2's conical taper makes it plenty strong from most break speeds.

I have a shaft that I've worn down to under a 11.5 mm that I could continue to break (and play) with for years without damage. The only way anyone can really damage a good shaft breaking is with an unorthodox follow through. Shane breaks with his playing cue, and hits them fairly hard ;)
 
Even if you don't damage the shaft though, you're surely going to get through tips at an alarming rate if you keep having to de-flatten them with a shaping tool because of all the breaking ...n'es pas?
 
Sounds as though if you are breaking under 20mph there is probably little concern with doing any damage to your player. Thanks Guys, Steve


Not really, look at the last sentence;
In the earlier years, players were starting to use house cues to break with then transition to the shootin' cue. I did it because back then most all cues had ivory ferrules, and I cracked one too many with my playing cue, then went to house cue, then to break cue with phenolic ferrule. Great players get such a good feel and settle in, the feel of control of the break with your playing cue was hard to dispute when you get the feel and the speed down, and it definitely sped up play. Medina, with his DNA he didn't wanna waste time, and since he shot like he broke, he seemed to get into stroke quicker because he was NOT constantly changing back and forth cue/bcue. Plus he didin't need one as good as he broke. All the metal trim on many tables tho, when breaking can sure come into play/negatively for wood, when Ya drop your elbow breaking the rack.
 
i break with a break stick so i dont mess my tip up on my shooting cue. now will break with my shooting cue in one pocket since you dont smash the rack
 
While it gives me no pleasure to contradict vapoolplayer, I've been told by a Pechauer rep and a Predator rep that I should NEVER break with my Z² shaft.

Honestly, it's supposed to be worse than crossing the beams in Ghostbusters.

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Thanks for the answer.
 
Depends

If you prefer your break tips and playing tips to be shaped differently obviously your game could suffer.

Or you'll be constantly messing with your tip.
If you can shoot with a Kamui black hard like svb does, knock yourself out. Those things don't mushroom, much like the old talisman wb x-hard (I sure miss those tips)

Seeing as you're talking about a poison cue, maintaining condition of it isn't a big issue-not to offend, but it's not like we're talking about a 10k gus.
 
Most players avoid this, even if they don't have a breaker they grab a pool hall cue to break with. Is it really bad to break with your playing cue? What's the worst that could happen? Aren't shafts designed to withstand powerful strokes? I mean it's common to use a power stroke on some positional shots during a match... I am talking about games where a harder break is required, such as 8 ball and 10 ball.

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Another reason I am asking is explained in this thread: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=4055570&posted=1#post4055570
Also a lot of the time I don't carry my break cue around.

If you're soft breaking like Dennis Orcullo was in the Swannee your playing cue will work fine. If you're crushing the balls, I think it will eventually effect your tip, so a break cue is probably the call:wink:
 
If you prefer your break tips and playing tips to be shaped differently obviously your game could suffer.

Or you'll be constantly messing with your tip.
If you can shoot with a Kamui black hard like svb does, knock yourself out. Those things don't mushroom, much like the old talisman wb x-hard (I sure miss those tips)

Seeing as you're talking about a poison cue, maintaining condition of it isn't a big issue-not to offend, but it's not like we're talking about a 10k gus.

The cue that I break with has a harder tip that is also shapped differently than the one on my playing cue. My playing cue is also close to an ounce heavier. And I will say that the shaft on my breaking cue does get a little dinged-up. I'd rather have that happen to the breaking shaft than to the shaft on my TAD.
 
well call it what you want bad follow thru bad workmanship or any other conclusion but here is 4 victams
I learned my lesson

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I used to play with a guy(hmmm, probably could have worded that better....) who had a shaft which looked thinner than a z2. He would break with it, and would totally crush the rack. I don't know how many times I was sure he was going to shatter this toothpick of a shaft. Watched him do it for years without hurting the shaft.

Also, I would imagine the z2's conical taper makes it plenty strong from most break speeds.

Yeah but the difference is the Z2 is hollow a couple inches past the ferrule. A good shaft should be able to take the abuse but it wouldn't be much of a surprise either if the shaft shattered. It can probably take the impact from contacting the cueball at a high speed but not bending on the follow through.
 
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I was just going thru some old video today and found one of my wife playing Willie Mosconi at a pool room grand opening and he played 9ball for 4 hours breaking with his playing cue.........which I think is a Balabushka?

When I first started playing in the early 90's guys were just starting to carry break cues. Most people grabbed one off the wall and let-er-ip....

I inherited an old Palmer sneaky I am breaking with now.....almost as good as my old Meucci sneaky!


hehe....


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