Is this a TRADE DEAL GONE WRONG?

I apoligize for my tardiness to this thread I just found it.

Dockter said:
Did it come in with something wrong with it or did you just not like the feel of it? Was everything as descriped?

Edit: You do at the very least owe him the shipping..
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Everything was as explained, he just didnt like the hit. I told him to change the tip. It currently has a pressed hard triangle on it as i like a very hard tip.

This deal was made as a trade item for item.

If his original intent was to try it out and see how it hits he should have said so right from the start. i probably would have agreed with it.

The problem i have was the deal was made, and then when he recieved the cue he made new stipulations to the deal without us agreeing on the conditions.

I commend stiqs on sending the cue back but to me the negative I Trader stays as I have a negative feeling towards the situation.

I feel this thread is a childish way to try to resolve this by airing your own dirty laundry. All would have been well enough if just left alone.

A simple lesson is to be learned here.
Make sure all intentions in a deal are clear, be honest and stick to them.

Thanks,
 
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cuebuyer4u said:
Everything was as explained, he just didnt like the hit. I told him to change the tip. It currently has a pressed hard triangle on it as i like a very hard tip.

This deal was made as a trade item for item.

If his original intent was to try it out and see how it hits he should have said so right from the start. i probably would have agreed with it.

The problem i have was the deal was made, and then when he recieved the cue he made new stipulations to the deal without us agreeing on the conditions.

I commend stiqs on sending the cue back but to me the negative I Trader stays as I have a negative feeling towards the situation.

I feel this thread is a childish way to try to resolve this by airing your own dirty laundry. All would have been well enough if just left alone.

A simple lesson is to be learned here.
Make sure all intentions in a deal are clear, be honest and stick to them.

Thanks,
Brett
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I thought your name was Trent. Trent Cowgill.
 
TheNewSharkster said:
Did you have an agreement in place that if you didn't like the hit of the cue you would back out of the deal?

IMO if he sent you what you had agreed upon and you didn't like how it played that would be on you and you should suck it up. The hit of a cue is subjective and he sent you what you wanted.
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No we did not and that was the problem.

Thank you for your comment and perspective.:thumbup:
 
One man's great hitting cue is another man's "hits like a piece of cardboard". I've learned in business to meticulously set expectations in order to avoid these types of issues. Unless the agreement upfront was explicitly clear upon approval by the person receiving the cue and liking the way it played, if the cue met all other expectations, the deal should be done IMHO. If there is something functionally wrong with the cue (warped shaft, faulty joint, etc.) that is causing the bad hit, that's a different story.

With that said, given the deal was a bit vague, in the interest of settling the matter, I would have simply taken the cue back if the seller paid for my shipping costs. Person sending the cue isn't out anything then other than the time it took the package and ship the cue.
 
If you told him "when I get the cue and determine I like the hit , then we have a deal" I think you're perfectly in the right. Otherwise , I think you're in the wrong. If you didn't clarify that point beforehand you should have shipped your trade as soon as your verified his was in described condition. JMO
 
Txstang1 said:
If you told him "when I get the cue and determine I like the hit , then we have a deal" I think you're perfectly in the right. Otherwise , I think you're in the wrong. If you didn't clarify that point beforehand you should have shipped your trade as soon as your verified his was in described condition. JMO
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Exactly...
 
Trent Cowgill is back

Last post on AZB. Anyone who has no idea who Trent Cowgill is? Search Button is there for a reason.
 
You traded 4 cues for a $325 cue and are upset how a $325 hit???? Are you used to how an $80 cue hits so that is the issue?

I am still scratching my head.
 
Unless you had previously agreed upon a test period and the option to return then if the cue was as described, I think you're in the wrong if he doesn't want to undo the deal.

That being said, as a seller, I would allow you to return the cue, no hard feelings. I like people to be happy with the deals I make but I don't assume that is the case when I make a deal with someone to buy or trade for their cue. It's important to spell out any contingencies if you want them as a buyer.

This sounds like you just don't like the hit, that's always a risk when buying/trading for a cue and if you didn't plan for a test period and made a finite deal to trade then you should follow through unless the seller is gracious enough to give you an out...which I would do as a seller, but would never assume from another unless previously discussed.
 
stiqs said:
It felt like hitting with plywood plank. I just can't keep a cue that I can't shoot with. It came in the condition it was described.

Edit: I can and will send person his Shipping cost back. And yes, I did apologize numerous times.
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Maybe just change the tip????? I think I would have tried a different shaft first. I have done this in the past. It's usually the tip. Rare, but some cues play dead as hell and then you have a tomato stick. Usually a LD shaft, different tip, different shaft, different ferrule and tip does the trick.
 
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slide13 said:
Unless you had previously agreed upon a test period and the option to return then if the cue was as described, I think you're in the wrong if he doesn't want to undo the deal.

That being said, as a seller, I would allow you to return the cue, no hard feelings. I like people to be happy with the deals I make but I don't assume that is the case when I make a deal with someone to buy or trade for their cue. It's important to spell out any contingencies if you want them as a buyer.

This sounds like you just don't like the hit, that's always a risk when buying/trading for a cue and if you didn't plan for a test period and made a finite deal to trade then you should follow through unless the seller is gracious enough to give you an out...which I would do as a seller, but would never assume from another unless previously discussed.
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That's pretty much how I seen it as well I've taken some cues on trade and hated the hit but just sold them off but either way hope everything works out
 
I could understand if the cue was warped or damaged but "hits like crap" - I would be unhappy if somebody pulled that on me to nix a deal. How do I know you don't "play like crap" and that is why the cue "hits like crap"?
 
Provided the Nova was in the condition indicated and no defects, including hidden, you are wrong in undoing the deal. Unless, however, it was mutually agreed that the Nova could be test hit or played on approval, you are wrong. Hit and feel is subjective.
 
I would say the owner of the Nova went out of his way sending the cue out with no payment then letting stiqs undo the deal. There is a risk in buying a cue on interweb as there will always be unanswered questions until the buyer has the cue in his hands. Maybe if it was like a $2500.00 cue or more I could see an agreement to return the cue due to a hit/feel/balance issue, but a $325.00 cue? If the cue looks as advertised it is a done deal, end of story. I say this as a BUYER of cues, not a seller because I do not/have not even considered selling a cue even though I have bought several here so far. In no way, shape, or form did the Nova seller deserve a negative iTrader, he shipped cue then unexpectedly accepted it back without any sort of payment. It was just plain wrong for stiqs to give him a negative iTrader, it sounds like stiqs is someone who I would not do business with.
 
You Did A Terrible Job Negotiating

If you failed to bring up the possibility that you might want to return the cue if it arrived damaged, not as described, or just you didn't like the way it played......and since you knew all this already about the cues you owned and were giving up in trade......if you forgot or didn't even think of it, then it's entirely on you and if the seller acquiesces, he's doing you a favor and you owe him all of his postage.

Look, there's not such thing as "It's only a trade if both parties are satisfied..." Nope, not unless that's brought up at the outset. If you make a swap, that's it......yours for his or vice versa......you should have played with the brand cue in the weight you wanted before you made the trade......you can't say it plays too heavy......tough luck on that or any other complaints....unless you ironed all this out before the trade was agreed to by both parties, you own that cue and in turn he owns yours.

Take a bended knee and apologize to the seller for wasting his time and reimburse all of his shipping expenses........think of it as a restocking fee and hope the seller agrees to reversing the trade.....if he doesn't, he's just sticking to the original deal whilst you're attempting to wiggle out of it. Like I said, if you didn't even explore this possibility before you agreed to make the swap, and unless the cue arrived damaged or otherwise not as described, you now own it unless this other party was a cue dealer and they should have then discussed returns policy with you before agreeing to do the trade......IMO.


Matt B.
 
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Hit is subjective

I've purchased many dogs over the years, and would never expect the seller to unwind a deal based on hit alone..
 
stiqs said:
Last post on AZB. Anyone who has no idea who Trent Cowgill is? Search Button is there for a reason.
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The Meridianblades vs.Trent Cowgill aka Marley Cues thread, was arguably the most epic thread of all time on AZ.

Maybe it's a different Trent Cowgill this time, but if not, go get em Trent
 
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