**Is this CHEATING**
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I almost can guarantee if it was 2 players other then what happened that were good friends (parica and dennis, or whoever else) the same thing would have happened, and no it wouldn't have been talked about good either. ecspecially with either Mcminn or Banks being cut up. One thing ppl got to realize, they were playing for 22k for first, what 11k for 2nd?? that's a good chunk of change, these 2 are young, if you are in their shoes, what would you do????
Interesting responses.
I did watch, until that move, then I turned it off.
This is a tournament, with rules. No safeties, honest effort to make/hit the ball. Its a violation of the rules and is clearly meant to disadvantage another player, which is contrary to the spirit of the rules and promotion of the game/tournament.
So, if you think otherwise, then the question is this..
Would you, a high profile company that supports various sports, think about sponsoring a sport that allows such unsportsman like conduct in a tournament?
The fact that so many people think its OK, is a reflection of why pool has maintained such a poor image.
I would have considered buying the DVD they are going to make, until I saw that. The fact that the people running the tournament consistently said, "no safeties" "try to hit the ball" , "all offense" and then saw this and took no action, is going to be a hard lesson for them and should be. Its a shame too, because otherwise it was a great format and interesting tournament.
I did watch, until that move, then I turned it off.
This is a tournament, with rules. No safeties, honest effort to make/hit the ball. Its a violation of the rules and is clearly meant to disadvantage another player, which is contrary to the spirit of the rules and promotion of the game/tournament.
So, if you think otherwise, then the question is this..
Would you, a high profile company that supports various sports, think about sponsoring a sport that allows such unsportsman like conduct in a tournament?
The fact that so many people think its OK, is a reflection of why pool has maintained such a poor image.
I would have considered buying the DVD they are going to make, until I saw that. The fact that the people running the tournament consistently said, "no safeties" "try to hit the ball" , "all offense" and then saw this and took no action, is going to be a hard lesson for them and should be. Its a shame too, because otherwise it was a great format and interesting tournament.
I am also aware there was no split, i talke to shane about 4 hours ago by phone and he told me what was going on. I am pretty sure that if I was him or banks, I would want to face the other one, sure wouldn't want to face Dennis. They actually wanted a shot for the dough! Great play by all the players out there.
I disagree, it's completely relevant.Jude Rosenstock said:
IMO, the negative perception of the pool world is perpetuated by the "if you don't like it quit" and "get the dough at all costs" positions you apparently support. That's one reason pool will never be mainstream. Until we can clean up our act and stop "getting the dough at all costs," pool is just full of two-bit gamblers.
-td
In any contest,the object is to win within the rules. In a ring game, I think you have to be aware of which player(s) need to be eliminated first... I am speaking about non-pro level of play here... then work to eliminate them...
I also think that you should assume that other people will team-up against you, so you had better be damn sure of your abilities when entering a big money ring game or have lots of gamble and be prepared to lose money.
I also think that you should assume that other people will team-up against you, so you had better be damn sure of your abilities when entering a big money ring game or have lots of gamble and be prepared to lose money.
but there were safeties played by many players all weeknd! i was up there saturday night and saw many safeties being played (even by Dennis), so if they didn't call something then, they couldn't call it on Banks/Mcminn. Let one person get by, gotta let them all get by.
I think if the opponent in there would have been any one of the top name players in the event, you would have seen the same result. Banks/Mcminn wanted a pretty even match in the finals, not them vs. top notch pro heads up. I'm not saying it was right, but face the facts, money is what it is ALL about
There seems to be a lot of assuming going on.
1. They looked at the tape and saw no problem.
2. Mcminn took a quick look and the one ball shot from the opposite end of the table and passed it. It was clearly a tight shot and maybe misread. It happends. In any case, the rule is he can pass it.
3. Orcullo had already quit before the 8 ball shot, for who knows what reason.
1. They looked at the tape and saw no problem.
2. Mcminn took a quick look and the one ball shot from the opposite end of the table and passed it. It was clearly a tight shot and maybe misread. It happends. In any case, the rule is he can pass it.
3. Orcullo had already quit before the 8 ball shot, for who knows what reason.
Deadon said:
I was gonna stay out of this but I can't. What McMinn did was within the tournament rules and was an honest effort. In the rules he is allowed to pass after a foul for ANY REASON he wants. That is giving him an honest effort to win the game. Anyone that was in the room or watching could see that it was not a gimmee out and that either himself or banks would have to work for it.
As far as nudging the 8 ball up by banks........DENNIS HAD BROKEN HIS CUES DOWN AND LEFT THE TABLE, THEREFORE FORFEITING. It was a move done in jest and goofing around and was after Dennis had been eliminated by forfeit!!!!!!!!
great point jjn. I was watching via the net until the very end. They had said Dennis walked out shortly after McMinn gave the shot back to banks earlier in the game. So he was already out by forfeit. McMinn had every right to give the shot back to Banks, you play the percentages. If something is tied up, and tough to break out or close to not going and you have a chance to get heads up if you or the other player gets out.....then I'd give it back as well.
First of all, IMHO Shane and Mike played one hell of a tournament. And like some one else said Dennis played some questionable shots as well.
And as for not gaining a big time sponsor due to certain conduct by pool players. Well it is a fact of life. One of the largest money making sports in America, NASCAR, is the epitomy of this conduct. How many times have you seen drivers wreck each other or block for a team mate? MANY
All I can say to Dennis is better luck next time. This event came down between a world beater and 2 relatively unknown KIDS that played their heart out. And I think that anyone of the 3 deserved to win.
Gary
And as for not gaining a big time sponsor due to certain conduct by pool players. Well it is a fact of life. One of the largest money making sports in America, NASCAR, is the epitomy of this conduct. How many times have you seen drivers wreck each other or block for a team mate? MANY
All I can say to Dennis is better luck next time. This event came down between a world beater and 2 relatively unknown KIDS that played their heart out. And I think that anyone of the 3 deserved to win.
Gary
I will still buy a copy of this match/tournament, if and when it comes out. There was some superb play by all players at times all wknd.
***First of all, IMHO Shane and Mike played one hell of a tournament. And like some one else said Dennis played some questionable shots as well.
And as for not gaining a big time sponsor due to certain conduct by pool players. Well it is a fact of life. One of the largest money making sports in America, NASCAR, is the epitomy of this conduct. How many times have you seen drivers wreck each other or block for a team mate? MANY
All I can say to Dennis is better luck next time. This event came down between a world beater and 2 relatively unknown KIDS that played their heart out. And I think that anyone of the 3 deserved to win.
Gary***
totally agree on all points here. Nascar is a good example. You have teammates that race WITH YOU. if you are in the lead, they work to protect you. about the 2 kids being unknown for the most part, I think alot of ppl know who Shane is/was. Based on his performances in the JR nationals. but that has been a few years back, so some might have forgotten! 4 time champion. Winner of the Memphis classic a time (or 2?) all 3 in the final were definetly class acts and definetly good for this sport.
And as for not gaining a big time sponsor due to certain conduct by pool players. Well it is a fact of life. One of the largest money making sports in America, NASCAR, is the epitomy of this conduct. How many times have you seen drivers wreck each other or block for a team mate? MANY
All I can say to Dennis is better luck next time. This event came down between a world beater and 2 relatively unknown KIDS that played their heart out. And I think that anyone of the 3 deserved to win.
Gary***
totally agree on all points here. Nascar is a good example. You have teammates that race WITH YOU. if you are in the lead, they work to protect you. about the 2 kids being unknown for the most part, I think alot of ppl know who Shane is/was. Based on his performances in the JR nationals. but that has been a few years back, so some might have forgotten! 4 time champion. Winner of the Memphis classic a time (or 2?) all 3 in the final were definetly class acts and definetly good for this sport.
well when they started up the heads up final, it was a brand new format for the most part, a race to 21 heads up. Didn't matter if one of the 2 only had $100 left from the regular tournament and the other one had all the money,they started fresh.
td873 said:
I cannot understand how you can pose a scenario which is obviously about gambling and demand prudence. It's about money! That's it! That's the bottom line, the end of discussion. You want higher law or virtue, you're going to the wrong place. Join the Ring Game League or play in Ring Game Tournaments. If there are none then I would advise getting away from ring games because this is what you're going to inevitably run in to. You may care about the perception of pool (and if you've read ANY of my posts, you would know I do too) but the people you're playing against in these ring games couldn't give a ****.