Issue during APA Playoffs

Coop1701

Coop1701

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I have been playing APA for awhile. I have ran in to situations were a person would ask if another player on their team would rack for them because they were too nervous to get the balls to rack correctly. But this past Friday night I had a odd request.

The team asked if another person on their team could break for a girl. (Skill Level 2) She said that she had broke her bridge hand and was unable to do it. They wanted another guy from their team (Also Skill Level 2) to break in her place.

I was thinking if your hand is good enough to play pool. You should be able to break. But my team and I agreed to this. But it bothered me a lot as I watched the match unfolded. My player won. I guess I am just wondering has this happened to any of you guys before. Did you allow it? Should I have allowed it?
 
I highly doubt you would have been wrong to not allow it. I can't see this being a rule. That said, if there's nothing really on the line and I know I am not getting played a sucker then sure, I would let them do it. If I didn't know them or felt they were trying to pull one over on us then no, not in a million years.
 
She's a 2, so I personally would've allowed it with the exception that 8 or 9 doesn't count on the break. It's been a while since I played in the APA, so I don't know if making the 8 ball counts on the break or not.
 
I don't recall a written rule regarding this, but I expect that the actual ruling from an LO or higher would likely be to not allow it. Now, if the opposing team were ok with it, I don't see an issue myself. Typically I would think that this would have to be filed in the "extenuating circumstances" category, meaning if it were a temporary medical situation or some such.

Still, during playoffs....very generous of your captain.
 
On the local level, weekly play, I know some of the captains agree to quite a bit to get the
matches played and make it agreeable to everybody, even a pinch hitter on the break if
there's some sort of problem like the one stated.
I like donuteric's thought that with the condition that an 8 (or 9) on the break will be spotted.
If the captains agree I don't really see a problem, but this was the playoffs.
Personally at any state beyond normal weekly play I would probably not have rolled with
it, maybe that's why I'm not the captain.
This is why god gave us many different kinds of mechanical bridges
 
I think last session some people would have liked for me to have had a substitute breaker. I had shoulder surgery and anything harder than pocket speed was not gonna happen. So I had some rather clumped up tables when I broke. The folks I played with were super nice and totally understood my situation and were just happy I was finally back and playing again.
 
I don't care if someone breaks in place of the player, but it has to be the same skill level or lower, and if the player is female, the breaker has to be female too.
 
ShakesSea said:
Can a player concede the break to their opponent? This is the only solution that makes sense to me.
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Well, I once played on a team that had a young man on it that had lost his hand in an industrial accident. He wore a prosthetic on his grip hand to play, but he couldn't grip the cue tight enough to break with any power whatsoever.

Not a single team we played ever had a problem with one of our players of equal skill level breaking for him.

After all....it's just APA league for cryin' out loud.

Maniac
 
billiardthought said:
I don't care if someone breaks in place of the player, but it has to be the same skill level or lower, and if the player is female, the breaker has to be female too.
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If the AZB women read this, there's gonna be another march on Washington.

Maniac (hopes they leave their vagina headwear at home)
 
I saw a match in Dallas in the summer of 1990 where CJ Wiley was breaking for Johnny Archer. I don't know who Johnny was playing.
 
Substitute breaking is nonsense.

If you can shoot balls in you can break.

And the game carries on with the result.

JC
 
ShakesSea said:
Can a player concede the break to their opponent? This is the only solution that makes sense to me.
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I dunno if its officially allowed, but of course all anyone that wanted to concede the break would have to do is to shoot the cue into the pocket and the break shifts to the other player.....
 
justadub said:
I dunno if its officially allowed, but of course all anyone that wanted to concede the break would have to do is to shoot the cue into the pocket and the break shifts to the other player.....
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Someone would surely be calling the LO at that point for "bad sportsmanship"
 
Completely acceptable. Just have to inform other team if breaker is same skill level or lower. If no one is same or lower then it goes to next highest rank.

But the real problem is that you play apa. lol
 
justadub said:
I dunno if its officially allowed, but of course all anyone that wanted to concede the break would have to do is to shoot the cue into the pocket and the break shifts to the other player.....
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The official APA rule says it's allowed.

Breaking - To be a legal break, players must break
from behind the head string. The head ball or second
ball must be struck first and at least four object balls
must be driven to the rails or a ball must be pocketed.
The cue ball may not be shot into a rail before the rack.
If the break does not qualify as legal, the balls are
reracked and rebroken by the same player. If the break
does not qualify as legal and results in a scratch, the
balls are reracked and broken by the opposite player
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I believe WPA allows the opponent to have an option for re-racking and letting the offending player breaks again. Knowing the injury, imagine an a$$hole that passes it back to the injured breaker. :thumbup:
 
justadub said:
I dunno if its officially allowed, but of course all anyone that wanted to concede the break would have to do is to shoot the cue into the pocket and the break shifts to the other player.....
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not true.... the rack must be struck first or there is no foul..................

the better method is to lag for break and lose........ lag takes president over flipping if asked for.............

Kim
 
I did a lot of goofy stuff when I used to play leagues. I even had a guy miscue once, and I told him to shoot it again
 
I am not a "letter of the law" guy, I'm more "spirit of the rules" guy and there's no way I would go for this. If the person can't play (break, rack, & shoot) then they shouldn't have been put up to play.
 
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