Issues Blowing Up At The Tornado Open

PocketSpeed11 said:
Keep up the good work on barbox events. I'm only one person, but they are the only streams I'll pay to watch.
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Why? If you are not talking only about 8-Ball, what do you like better about watching 9-Ball or 10-Ball on 7-footers than on 9-footers?
 
Mark Griffin said:
I have been half following the situation in Florida. Its a real shame.

I think Vivian was trying to do the right thing. But I will agree that the event 'seemed' to be a little rough around the edges last year.

No way to follow the matches and difficult to see scores and payouts etc.

This is the 2016. There are a lot of ways to handle the information and to have a good staff. But for 'the love of the game' - use qualified people/companies to run the show.

Remember the problem at the Galveston, Texas event a few years ago?

Players need to be respected - they also need to be respectful. But what is happening is that too few players will compete on 9' tables. The truth is that the 9' game is becoming less and less feasible.

Embrace FargoRate - it will establish who can and should play in events.It will (as the information gets more seasoned) give a better product and hopefully help establish some credibility into the game.

Just remember, that every mis-step makes it that much harder on the legitimate promoter.

Mark Griffin
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Anytime I hear an authority speak of less 9 foot tournaments , I think that I'd rather have pool die altogether than watch it go to 7 footers. These guys run out like water on a 7 foot. Long race, alternating break doesn't change the fact that it's child's play and becomes a coin toss. Take the skill out of the game and what do you have left? Pro miniature table pool is the dead nail of the professional game.
 
lfigueroa said:
Mark, come on. The DCC is two floors of 9' table goodness with a 10' or two thrown in for good measure, and the players love it.

Lou Figueroa
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Mike Zuglan fills 128 player fields at Turning Stone months in advance. I'm sure he could do it monthly just from players in the northeast. Every event has a waiting list, the hotel sells lots of nights and the casino gets lots of action. Many spectators as well.

Maybe they should just put Zuglan in charge of the big national pro pool tournaments ....the man knows what he's doing.
 
John Disque said:


Months ago Shane Winters posted his concerns about the streams making money off the backs of the players and giving little-to-nothing back to the sport.... He too was relentlessly attacked until he was silenced.
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IIRC he made some pretty outlandish statements about how revenue was generated on Youtube.

Cmon, at least have an understanding of something before you beak off.
 
John Disque said:
It's almost hilarious how, when Shane started bringing up this subject people like you said he was not a pro so he had no say in it. THEN - when he won an amateur event the same people screamed that he WAS a pro and didn't qualify to enter.

Which one is it? [/QUOTE

Being a pro or not is not the point. streams bring exposure to tournaments. Streamers are not raking in the $.

There's never been a sports model where players get paid for exposure.

Do football players make money off Monday Night football? NO!!!
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Koop said:
The saddest thing is the fact that I would have been shocked if there wasn't a thread created like this. Pretty much the status quo.
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Being a pro or not is not the point. streams bring exposure to tournaments. Streamers are not raking in the $.

There's never been a sports model where players get paid for exposure.

Do football players make money off Monday Night football? NO!!![/QUOTE]

Wanna bet? In-fact without TV the entire sport would be broke and if football players didn't have agents and lawyers they'd be broke, with or without TV.

A monetized video brings in revenue for whoever uploaded it. It's nickles and dimes compared to the revenue YouTube makes but, when you have thousands of videos you have serious money continually coming in.
 
It's absolutely amazing how ignorant the pool world is when it comes to the digital market.

How much more are these players making since they've had all this exposure on the internet???

I love this "Oh you guys are getting exposure! you should be grateful," said every digital thief in this industry.

Go to a golf-course and stream Tiger Woods - See what happens to your ass.
 
supergreenman said:
John Disque said:
It's almost hilarious how, when Shane started bringing up this subject people like you said he was not a pro so he had no say in it. THEN - when he won an amateur event the same people screamed that he WAS a pro and didn't qualify to enter.

Which one is it? [/QUOTE

Being a pro or not is not the point. streams bring exposure to tournaments. Streamers are not raking in the $.
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My point was - all you people I never heard of hang around the net like little vultures just dying to attack someone who has the guts to stand up for the sport and the players who are getting shit-on everywhere they turn.

If you gave a damn about this sport you would give a damn about what the pros are saying and THEIR ideas on getting more money in the sport. In-other words - it's not about you getting to watch them for free on Youtube and you might want to lay off that keyboard for a minute and learn something, and it's not about some talentless shoulder-hopping dweeb with a camera making money off their talent while giving the ones with the talent NOTHING.

Pool is the only sport on Earth you could get away with this crap!
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Baby Huey said:
For the most part added money is the only way to attract players to attend an event. Those ducks have to be in order to get the fields required to make an event successful. But, the breakdown must be clearly stated in advance. When attendance is poor you just have to bite the bullet and live with the results. Non playing spectators are a thing of the past. They just don't show up much anymore. And, they used to make events successful. Maybe it's the economy, maybe it's the lack of interest in pool or maybe it's how the event is scheduled. Case in point. The old Reno Open had several events running at the same time. They had the "Pro Event" but they also had a smaller event where "Non Pros" could enter which attracted many players who would then come play and watch. That type of event brought out players who could see themselves making a commitment to take time off and attend because THEY COULD ALSO PLAY. Maybe we need to look backwords once in a while to move forward........
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Look at the stands for semis. EMPTY.

I saw prices for rooms, did not have a second thought of attending tourney

Look at prices of rooms in Reno and you can see why they were full of spectators and players.

Casinos should want people to attend, then pick their pockets.
 
supergreenman said:
John Disque said:
It's almost hilarious how, when Shane started bringing up this subject people like you said he was not a pro so he had no say in it. THEN - when he won an amateur event the same people screamed that he WAS a pro and didn't qualify to enter.

Which one is it? [/QUOTE

Being a pro or not is not the point. streams bring exposure to tournaments. Streamers are not raking in the $.

There's never been a sports model where players get paid for exposure.

Do football players make money off Monday Night football? NO!!!
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Step away from the key board your in over your head


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John Disque said:
It's absolutely amazing how ignorant the pool world is when it comes to the digital market.

How much more are these players making since they've had all this exposure on the internet???

I love this "Oh you guys are getting exposure! you should be grateful," said every digital thief in this industry.

Go to a golf-course and stream Tiger Woods - See what happens to your ass.
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Yeah, NBC will have a problem if you stream any golfer. But I guarantee you they aren't giving a dime to any golfer you see.


Did Crazy Erica get banned or something? Why are you here?
 
John Disque said:
supergreenman said:
My point was - all you people I never heard of hang around the net like little vultures just dying to attack someone who has the guts to stand up for the sport and the players who are getting shit-on everywhere they turn.

If you gave a damn about this sport you would give a damn about what the pros are saying and THEIR ideas on getting more money in the sport. In-other words - it's not about you getting to watch them for free on Youtube and you might want to lay off that keyboard for a minute and learn something, and it's not about some talentless shoulder-hopping dweeb with a camera making money off their talent while giving the ones with the talent NOTHING.

Pool is the only sport on Earth you could get away with this crap!
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Once again, athletes in real sports aren't getting paid by the networks.

Try to keep up.
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LOL --- You're right.... Football players make multi-millions per year because little angels fly around and drop it in their chimneys.
 
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John Disque said:
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Being a pro or not is not the point. streams bring exposure to tournaments. Streamers are not raking in the $.

There's never been a sports model where players get paid for exposure.

Do football players make money off Monday Night football? NO!!!
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Wanna bet? In-fact without TV the entire sport would be broke and if football players didn't have agents and lawyers they'd be broke, with or without TV.

A monetized video brings in revenue for whoever uploaded it. It's nickles and dimes compared to the revenue YouTube makes but, when you have thousands of videos you have serious money continually coming in.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you should become a streamer then. These guys do it for the love of the game. They aren't getting rich. Pool is a fringe sport.

Somebody gets a casino to post 100k if they get a good turnout. The players didn't come. ...neither did spectators. So how is that the promoters fault?
 
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BeiberLvr said:
Yeah, NBC will have a problem if you stream any golfer. But I guarantee you they aren't giving a dime to any golfer you see.


Did Crazy Erica get banned or something? Why are you here?
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Directly no they just put up the money for prize funds if you make the cut your collecting money they put up

The Masters prize money fund is made up of $6.5 million from television rights deals and $3.5m from sponsorship.

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one stroke said:
Directly no they just put up the money for prize funds if you make the cut your collecting money they put up

The Masters prize money fund is made up of $6.5 million from television rights deals and $3.5m from sponsorship.

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That's what I meant not directly. Same thing with NFL. Networks pay money for a contract to have the rights to broadcast games. That money gets split across all teams. The players might get a small piece which is probably included in their salaries.
 
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