Its all in the approach and alignment
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I'm with ya on that one.
I'm currently at the point where I've overlearned the new changes I've made and am now creating a setup where I am in proper position before I go down on the shot (the Baltimore Bullet movie is in my head here ..lol).
I am trying to shorten the amount of time it takes me to setup so I'm intentionally leaving out the tweakings of my grip, bridge, and stance...oh, and aim....once down, regardless of whether or not it doesn't feel right or look right once down.
I hope that makes sense, as I'm rambling. I look forward to some good comments about this here.
Jeff Livingston
That is exactly the point that Johnny Archer made in his TAR interview (the one with SVB). He says that once he's down on the shot the only thing he's looking at is the CB and the tip of his cue.
And I'll be damned if I don't miss the shot every time I second-guess my alignment while I'm down on the shot.
And I'll be damned if I don't miss the shot every time I second-guess my alignment while I'm down on the shot.
Yes
Yes works for everything! Learn first make up your mind what to do and how and go without thinking!
Yes works for everything! Learn first make up your mind what to do and how and go without thinking!
Are you talking about pool??
I'll add a bit here. It is best to get set in position without fiddling about and taking practice strokes in the air or very immediately after the stance has been set. I'll leave it there...
I totally understand seeing the shot & making up one's mind how one intends to shoot the shot. I also understand getting set into the proper stance & aligning one's body to acomodate the execution of that shot.
But I can not understand just going down & shooting the shot, kind of like with your eyes shut & simply shooting the shot. Once down on the shot the tip placement & exact angle the cue is set is of vital importance & must be fine tuned.
Can one shoot a high powered rifle by seeing the shot, aligning & setting one's body & then close one's eyes & bring the rifle up & shoot with any real expectation of hitting the bull's eye?
Second guessing is one thing. Not fine tuning one's 'aim' is another.
Just my $0.02,
But I can not understand just going down & shooting the shot, kind of like with your eyes shut & simply shooting the shot. Once down on the shot the tip placement & exact angle the cue is set is of vital importance & must be fine tuned.
Can one shoot a high powered rifle by seeing the shot, aligning & setting one's body & then close one's eyes & bring the rifle up & shoot with any real expectation of hitting the bull's eye?
Second guessing is one thing. Not fine tuning one's 'aim' is another.
Just my $0.02,
I dont believe this to be true.
It aint gonna happen. You still need to get connected to the shot. Its a feel thing.
John
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I'm in the middle of simplifying my shot once down, so I am working on this right now. I want to reduce the time down so I don't UNmake the shot, so to speak.
Once down and I have the aim, I want to shoot asap so I don't UNdo the aim I ALREADY have. Make sense? So, I'm reducing the movements after I've gone down.
The main way I'm doing that is to take care of MORE of the shot business while I'm standing. By doing more while standing, I'm doing LESS when down. Not doing NOTHING when down, but LESS....because I've already done that when I was standing up.
Jeff Livingston
Chef Jeff,
That makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying it. I agree that the more you see & make the connection from 'behind' the shot as they say in golf, you have little to do except set up, lock it in & pull the trigger.
PS Most chefs are some of the nicest people but some can be a real pain in the a**. I was a meat salesman for about 2 years in the New Orleans area. What is your specialty?
Merry Christmas to you & yours,
(snip the agreement with the greatest post ever in the history of posting on the internet..)
PS Most chefs are some of the nicest people but some can be a real pain in the a**. I was a meat salesman for about 2 years in the New Orleans area. What is your specialty?
Merry Christmas to you & yours,
My specialty is not cooking. I am using the 'chef' term because it rhymes with Jeff and because I wrote a book called The Recipe for a Successful Pool Shot. I said that if I ever opened a restaurant, it would be Chef Jeff's, but I never wanted to run a restaurant and I never wanted to put up the crap it takes to be a chef. May the real chefs forgive me for my taking that important title without doing the work.
Meat salesman....did you have dogs chasing your car?
Jeff Livingston
If you look at the cue ball and cue tip when you are down you are not aiming. It is the worst thing a pool player can do. Pros and instructors who give this kind of advice just don't want you to learn how to aim correctly. Do you guys really think that great shotmakers like ''django'', reyes and mika look at the cb and their cue tip when they are down to shoot??????????????
No, not that kind, more of a public relations coordination type.
Its never to late,
If it dont look good get back up and start again.Aiming is a start to finish process.Players that play good or pocket balls well
will always(well most of the time)pull back of the shot if it dont look rite.
Why? because they know,they have train themselves over and over on what the shot looks like so there for they will get up start the process over.
The process must be started over for your best results.
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Its never to late,
Aiming is a start to finish process.Players that play good or pocket balls well
will always(well most of the time)pull back of the shot if it dont look rite.
Why? because they know,they have train themselves over and over on what the shot looks like so there for they will get up start the process over.
The process must be started over for your best results.
8pack,
There was a thread about practice stokes vs 'no strokes'.
I've noticed that when I take practice strokes, I mis more often & have come to understand that it means, something is not right. I don't usually get up & start over, but I'm going to try to start doing that if I can notice the excessive pratice strokes.
Regards,
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Me, too. That is but one of the ways I'm reducing my time when down. I was working on it last night with mixed results but I'm going to give it more chances before I decide about it.
Jeff Livingston
I think we all have maybe a little different way of doing things for each of us.What works for one guy mite not for another.If your missing because of stroking more than not I would almost bet theres something going on that shouldnt be.You mite want to video tape yourself,you mite just find whats going wrong for you.I really think stroking gives you a good ideal on how your going to hit the shot.(cb)Not stroking at all mite cause you to jerk the shot.That may not be the rite word for it but I feel having some motion in the stroke is better than not.(especially when on the rail for me.)But then again what works for one mite not for another.
8pack,
I hear you, but I am almost 100% positive it is not in my stroke. You are certainly correct that some shots, rail etc. might require practice strokes. What I was 'talking' about is a simple normal cut shot that I would normally just set up on & gauge the cue tip to the ball & shoot & make. Then a similiar shot I would do the same but make practice strokes & mis a higher percentage than normal. CJ Wiley made me realize that it might be that I either was not seeing it correctly or percieved it incorrectly or have not made the proper connention & that is why my subconscious was making me practice stroke hopeing to find the proper solution. But... until recently I would just shoot without getting up. Now If I notice the excessive practice strokes I know something is probably wrong & I should regroup.
I hope this states it better.
Best Wishes to all,
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I'd say getting down on the sighting line and not altering the head position is the key here... Getting from sighting to the cueing line and ready to shoot however for some people may utilize pivots or may include shaking off the dog or other mechanical/physiological adjustments...
I am a proponent of practice strokes being done in the air while finding the sighting line and seeing the whole shot but some fidgeting once down is conducive and not harmful.
I'd say eliminate any movement you don't need but be careful of just eliminating movement.....
I am a proponent of practice strokes being done in the air while finding the sighting line and seeing the whole shot but some fidgeting once down is conducive and not harmful.
I'd say eliminate any movement you don't need but be careful of just eliminating movement.....