I've been asserting if you take away the trick cue

erhino41 said:
Pure genius. Each tournament will have its own unique cue and no-one can practice with it. You show up they hand you a cue and say good luck. Absolutely "even" playing field.

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Each league could create a specific standard cue. Amateur and pro...if they wanted.

How far do we want to take this?

To me, nothing wrong with a playing cue, break cue, masse cue, and jump cue. Really.

You still have to master using those cues and those shots...and choose the right shot and cue.

I understand the argument against it. I really do.

But seriously, more cue options brings more dimensions to play.

You would also want to get to know your opponents weaknesses better. If you are going to try to play safe, knowing his jump abilities versus other abilities might be more important. I always learned to play the table. This could bring playing your opponent more into focus.

Look at the discussions in golf sometimes regarding what club is chosen for a particular shot.

Heck, you can even add a variety of shafts for each cue according to what the shot is.

Could be interesting.

I am not offended by it.

I learned to jump with my playing cue long before I got a jump cue. I still recommend that. But I don't see anything wrong with having and using a jump cue. It isn't a magic solution. Just try to snooker a great player and see.

To me, it is just the natural expansion of the equipment and the game.
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erhino41 said:
Pure genius. Each tournament will have its own unique cue and no-one can practice with it. You show up they hand you a cue and say good luck. Absolutely "even" playing field.

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Yo funny you say this. We used to sit around the 'hall bs'n about having a "Wallybushka" tournament. Nothing but house cues. All same tips. Pick you weight and get after it. No break cues or jumpers. I think it would be cool. Best player would still win if you used broomsticks.
 
I remember way back when those "trick cues" came out. Slowly but surely they inundated the pool world. My initial reaction to them and it hasn't changed was and is that they are cheating. People who couldn't shoot a lick were jumping over balls with their jump cues. And all the people out there, like me, who were quite talented at jumping over balls with their full cue lost the edge in that area of the game.

For some reason I do not mind players who use break cues. I even have one and use it. A break cue does hit the rack harder than a non break cue so a break cue so it can also be categorized as a "trick cue" but nearly at the same level as the jump cue. And the break cue doesn't hit the rack all that much harder than the playing cue. I'm guessing 5- 10 percent harder on average.

The main reason I like them is because the tip on my playing cue lasts MUCH longer before I need to replace it. Back when I noticed players using break cues in the early days, this is the reason they used break cues. Their break cues didn't hit the rack any harder than their regular cues back then. Players used them to save the tips on their playing cues from wearing out as quickly. Of course times have changed. Tips are available now which are very hard and cues can be purchased that are specifically designed to give a player more power on the break shot. Personally I wouldn't mind, if it were possible, to outlaw cues that have advanced technology which makes them hit the rack harder than a regular cue. But that, I am sure is impossible and will never happen.

The tip on my playing cue in my opinion is the most important part of my cue. I would much rather have a tip that I am used to and hits well put on almost any other cue, even low grade house cues, than to have a high grade cue with a inferior tip on it. And it doesn't even have to be that much inferior of a tip.
 
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erhino41 said:
I don't think jumping is as a big of a "problem" as you all seem to think it is. There has been a sh*t ton of pool to watch this summer. I have seen far, far more safety battles than jumps.

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I have to agree.. not a fan of the jump cue, but most of the time I see
someone attempt a jump it's usually with bad results... scratch off the
table or selling out. :rolleyes:
 
john noe said:
I remember way back when those "trick cues" came out. Slowly but surely they inundated the pool world. My initial reaction to them and it hasn't changed was and is that they are cheating. People who couldn't shoot a lick were jumping over balls with their jump cues. And all the people out there, like me, who were quite talented at jumping over balls with their full cue lost the edge in that area of the game.

For some reason I do not mind players who use break cues. I even have one and use it. A break cue does hit the rack harder than a non break cue so a break cue so it can also be categorized as a "trick cue" but nearly at the same level as the jump cue. And the break cue doesn't hit the rack all that much harder than the playing cue. I'm guessing 5- 10 percent harder on average.

The main reason I like them is because the tip on my playing cue lasts MUCH longer before I need to replace it. Back when I noticed players using break cues in the early days, this is the reason they used break cues. Their break cues didn't hit the rack any harder than their regular cues back then. Players used them to save the tips on their playing cues from wearing out as quickly. Of course times have changed. Tips are available now which are very hard and cues can be purchased that are specifically designed to give a player more power on the break shot. Personally I wouldn't mind, if it were possible, to outlaw cues that have advanced technology which makes them hit the rack harder than a regular cue. But that, I am sure is impossible and will never happen.

The tip on my playing cue in my opinion is the most important part of my cue. I would much rather have a tip that I am used to and hits well put on almost any other cue, even low grade house cues, than to have a high grade cue with a inferior tip on it. And it doesn't even have to be that much inferior of a tip.
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The first person to put a leather tip with chalk on the end of their cue was likely labeled a cheater......

In fact, if we went over the list of things that have changed in sports, to give players an advantage (or perceived advantage), it'd be endless.

That's modern technology at work, and players can either adapt and overcome, or be static and miss out.

There are pool events that outlaw phenolic tips, or any mixture thereof into a leather bound tip.

A jump cue doesn't necessarily make the player shoot better. In your own example, that guy who couldn't shoot a lick but now jumps balls. Does he play any better? Is he winning more games because of him jumping over balls?
 
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Just to give a small list of things that are now different in sports, that may (or definitely) give players an advantage that use them:

Titanium golf clubs - 1990
In helmet head-sets - 1994
Composite Tennis Rackets - 1980

Much lighter track shoes

LZR Swimsuits - If you weren't wearing this in the 2008 Olympics, you didn't medal - and that's facts

If we played pool with the balls they played with in the 1930's........ never mind...
 
alstl said:
and force them to jump with a full cue - or kick - you would see some changes at the end of the tournaments.

The guy who made it to the hot seat at Turning Stone - Earl Strickland.
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Jump cues were not allowed at turning stone.
 
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