Ive Never Heard Efren Reyes Give a Testimonial For a Pool Cue Before.

This is a great question, been asked many times. And has had as many opinions and answers. However I never really went in-depth on MY opinion of what I’ve seen on this question.

Clearly Efren is in the conversation of the greatest ever within my lifetime. I’m 55 fwiw.

The first time I ever saw him was in Reno at the Sands tourney. I believe it was in 86. He was getting 3/2 or $75/$50 to break and run out a rack of rotation. The pockets were huge, super easy equipment. He got BIH after the break. He mopped up all the money. I had never seen anyone run out 15 balls in rotation so frequently. Hmmmm

Then I saw him around the pool rooms in LA and NorCal in the late 80’s here and there. And at some tourneys. His break was pretty weak, everything else was amazing. I knew I was watching someone very gifted and special.

One night in Hardtimes Bellflower in around 89-90 he was giving a guy who was a solid 1P player 11-5 which was a TON considering who he was playing(I can’t recall who anymore). They were playing $300/rack paying after each game. There was loads of action that day and this was off to the side-not on one of the main action table. Nobody but me sweating it. One rack Efren got his shot ran 11, the guy went to go get $ to keep in action. Efren ran the last 4 balls-15 & out when nobody was looking but me. They weren’t throw in’s he had his work cut out. Few minutes later guy came paid him and they continued to play until 3-4am. I left the pool room when they did. Efren got into a old POS Mustang with some guy and a girl I’d never seen. I always wondered about that.

Nobody was really paying much mind to him, I knew there was something special going on and it was clear as day to me.

Fast forward 10 years. I get back into the pool world. My absence wasn’t 100% as I had a table and played at home and watched pool on TV etc. But I wasn’t around the tourneys much or often just a little. No internet yet. So if you weren’t at the pool room what you could hear about was limited. I always read the magazines/ anyways when I jumped back into pool. Efren had a cult following. Tee shirts WWED? All sorts of stuff. Droves of people following him at the derby to watch him play.

While I was away from pool, Efren was doing his thing and the world woke up and realized there’s something else happening there.

His ability to find shots in any game especially 1P is possibly the greatest ever, same for 9B anything creative IMO there’s nobody else like him.

About 9-10 years ago in LA at the pool room he’s playing 1P he shot a shot, I said to a guy on the rail “looks like he shit it in”. He heard me. Million to 1 fluke the same shot came up again-he shot it and just looked over and winked at me and smiled. I can’t remember the shot, but it was beyond amazing to even see it let alone execute it. I wish I had that on video. Wow!

He’s the best ever at finding things where there is nothing and executing it. I’ve been lucky enough to watch him more hours live in the pool room and tourneys.

Is he the greatest?

“The balls roll funny for everyone”

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Fatboy 🤠
I love this answer, my friend. I think you summed up my feeling exactly. There are so many things he does differently, finds it, goes for it. I think he’s the greatest all-around from 2000-2015 or so. But the power break was lacking, which new players today don’t really see the need. So they don’t see the disadvantage he had versus the big breakers when he it was needed.

For me, to this day, Sigel was the best I’ve seen. Strickland’s highest gear was the best 9-ball I’ve seen. Varner’s dominance in 9-ball over two years was the most dominant I’ve seen. And Efren’s One Pocket game was unworldly for many years. The most creative player in the game.
 
I love this answer, my friend. I think you summed up my feeling exactly. There are so many things he does differently, finds it, goes for it. I think he’s the greatest all-around from 2000-2015 or so. But the power break was lacking, which new players today don’t really see the need. So they don’t see the disadvantage he had versus the big breakers when he it was needed.

For me, to this day, Sigel was the best I’ve seen. Strickland’s highest gear was the best 9-ball I’ve seen. Varner’s dominance in 9-ball over two years was the most dominant I’ve seen. And Efren’s One Pocket game was unworldly for many years. The most creative player in the game.
I agree with the Sigel, Earl & Nick comments as well, 100% down the line. I was going to say the exact same thing-only reason I didn’t was my post was a bit long and I wanted to keep the spot light on Efren. However what you said is exactly how I see it as well.

I’ll add one other person from that era that in the conversation and that’s Buddy.

What a wonderful era of pool, from 77 until Johnny Archer. Lol. Then a new era started until SVB

Sadly what we have now just isn’t the same. But pools still great and I’ll be there

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Fatboy 😃
 
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He’s not saying it’s a commercial. He’s saying whoever filmed the video is presenting it as one (of sorts). Nor is he saying Efren is lying, just that it’s not an “endorsement” in that sense that Efren is officially endorsing the product.

Efren seems like the nicest dude around. If someone walked up to him with their cue and asked him for his opinion, can you imagine him saying it’s shit? He’d probably tell you your Players kids cue hits nice, then run a 4 pack with it.
I get all of that. But add that to others that have used the J Flowers cue. There are many good reviews out there. Add all the good reviews to what Efren said, and you have reasonable evidence to suggest it's a good value for the money.

Does anyone have or heard any bad reviews on the J Flowers cues?

I guess I'll go ahead and add a negative... it is manufactured in Tangxia, China.
 
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I get all of that. But add that to others that have used the J Flowers cue. There are many good reviews out there. Add all the good reviews to what Efren said, and you have reasonable evidence to suggest it's a good value for the money.

Does anyone have or heard any bad reviews on the J Flowers cues?

I guess I'll go ahead and add a negative... it is manufactured in Tangxia, China.


Chinese are capable of making thing Great, or Cheap.


Friend had his products made there for two reasons, one they do great job for him, two cost.

He could not find machine ship in USA to do short run, or his R & D samples.
 
Efren played with a Judd JT1 at one time. Judd told me that he glued 2 elkmasters together.
Put them in a vise and compressed them. I can’t remember how long he left them in the vise.
 
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Speaking of Judd I guess his custom cues are bringing some pretty nice dollars.
They are getting to be collectible I suppose.
Anyone know anything about that???
 
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Spend some time on YouTube watching him through the years. He plays like no one else ever recorded. Maybe some better in the past, but no one is alive to confirm that. We only have what is written. With Efren, we can watch him all through his career and he seems like God just gave him a computer of a brain that can see patterns, angles and options like no one else ever born. Many have a great stroke, but he is the perfect all around player IMHO. I never get tired of watching him play.

One thing I've noticed with Efren. Many people shoot great pool. Efren has a personality to take any bad roll, any situation and give it his full attention and best attempt. I've never seem him give up. To me a large part of his dominance is mental toughness.
 
I love this answer, my friend. I think you summed up my feeling exactly. There are so many things he does differently, finds it, goes for it. I think he’s the greatest all-around from 2000-2015 or so. But the power break was lacking, which new players today don’t really see the need. So they don’t see the disadvantage he had versus the big breakers when he it was needed.

For me, to this day, Sigel was the best I’ve seen. Strickland’s highest gear was the best 9-ball I’ve seen. Varner’s dominance in 9-ball over two years was the most dominant I’ve seen. And Efren’s One Pocket game was unworldly for many years. The most creative player in the game.

I agree with Sigel possibly being better than Efren but Efren is the most fun to watch player without a doubt. I don't know the number but Sigel's records in finals was insanely good.

What sticks with me though is that I was at West End (East?) Billiards in NJ and there was a contemporary of Mosconi there. They had a tournament and Mizerak and Hopkins and other pros were there. He was of the opinion that none of them and their contemporaries were even in the same conversation as Mosconi. He said that Mosconi shot so fast you wouldn't realize how hard the shot he just made was. He said people thought Mosconi was not an all around pool player but he said Willie just didn't like the other games but he would give other pros the 5 out in 9 ball and win easily. He was also world class in 3 cushion and beat the World Champion of snooker several times in a travelling exhibition of snooker and pool.

It's really sad that there is close to zero film of Mosconi in his playing days.
 
At that price point, I am inclined to try one.
FWIW, I bought one last summer and I love it. I've had decent production cues like Predator, Meucci, and my last one a Tiger. I was going to refinish the Tiger and get a stack leather wrap, but just getting this cue was cheaper, AND I get a CF shaft? Figured worst case I'll have an extra house cue. I haven't touched my Tiger since.

And I also got their break cue - to me, it's the best break cue I ever used. Better than the BK Rush I used a few times.
 
Efren was not "endorsing" that cue imo. Most likely someone walked up to him, handed it to him, and asked what he thought of it. Then gave him a free shirt and Efren was probably happy as pie with the shirt.

People have done this with him before, and taken it way out of context. I recall one cuemaker made a cue for Efren years ago, and stated Efren would be playing his cues from now on. There was a picture of them together, and Efren holding the cue. Efren never used the cue once as far as I recall. Probably gave it away. I think the cue maker mistook gifting Efren a cue with Efren using it professionally.
No. But its not like he was endorsing the cue so others would buy it. Like a legit commercial. He was being nice. The person who did the video is the one who staged this whole thing and made it look like Efren was in a commercial.
I think you are right, it was Efren just being a nice guy and perhaps being a bit naive, and Efren's graciousness is in turn intentionally being misrepresented as something other than what it really was.

Further supporting evidence for that is that the video is from the youtube channel of the Supr Charged marketing agency headed by Per Hagen. That agency is in my opinion not exactly known for their honesty to say the least, even by promoter's and marketer's standards.

Linked below is another example from a recent thread where they have no problem intentionally being dishonest (spelled out in posts 19, 23, 27, etc). Seems that whenever honesty is an impediment to their goals, they circumvent that by just intentionally and blatantly choosing to be dishonest instead and then just plowing right on ahead.
 
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I get all of that. But add that to others that have used the J Flowers cue. There are many good reviews out there. Add all the good reviews to what Efren said, and you have reasonable evidence to suggest it's a good value for the money.

Does anyone have or heard any bad reviews on the J Flowers cues?

I guess I'll go ahead and add a negative... it is manufactured in Tangxia, China.
Why is the fact it is manufactured in China a negative to you?
 
Why is the fact it is manufactured in China a negative to you?
Being patriotic is great, until it comes time to become profitable so you can eat and have shelter. Doing biz with China usually is a better value ergo a better bottom line for most businesses. That’s a fact of life now.

I can’t get involved in this endless debate. Profits over patriotism every time.

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Fatboy
 
Being patriotic is great, until it comes time to become profitable so you can eat and have shelter. Doing biz with China usually is a better value ergo a better bottom line for most businesses. That’s a fact of life now.

I can’t get involved in this endless debate. Profits over patriotism every time.

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Fatboy
Well, if you think he said that because he was attempting to be "patriotic" by stating that the fact that the J.Flowers cue is made in CHINA is negative....well, maybe that was his initial intent, however, his post immediately hit me with a sharp tinge of racism. I sure hope I'm wrong. I've been all over the world. There are wonderful people in every country. Not so different from you and I. There is no grand anti-American conspiracy by the chinese factory building those J.Flowers cues. They're just hard-working citizens, trying to make a living and spend time with their families and live their lives. The same as the majority of people in all countries. The Chinese produce EVERYTHING and in spectacular fashion. They've made a TON of American and American companies extremely RICH. They've made more American millionaires, and created more jobs for Americans than Buckshot, I'm sure. How's that for patriotism?
 
Well, if you think he said that because he was attempting to be "patriotic" by stating that the fact that the J.Flowers cue is made in CHINA is negative....well, maybe that was his initial intent, however, his post immediately hit me with a sharp tinge of racism. I sure hope I'm wrong. I've been all over the world. There are wonderful people in every country. Not so different from you and I. There is no grand anti-American conspiracy by the chinese factory building those J.Flowers cues. They're just hard-working citizens, trying to make a living and spend time with their families and live their lives. The same as the majority of people in all countries. The Chinese produce EVERYTHING and in spectacular fashion. They've made a TON of American and American companies extremely RICH. They've made more American millionaires, and created more jobs for Americans than Buckshot, I'm sure. How's that for patriotism?
I like China and Chinese go there every year. My friend is in the water filter biz there

The only place I’ve ever been and didn’t feel welcome was Egypt. Horrible place anyways.

I’m not racist at all, never have been, never will be. I’m smarter than that.

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Fatboy
 
I like China and Chinese go there every year. My friend is in the water filter biz there

The only place I’ve ever been and didn’t feel welcome was Egypt. Horrible place anyways.

I’m not racist at all, never have been, never will be. I’m smarter than that.

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Fatboy
Yes, China is an amazing country with an incredible history. NO country is perfect. I know a pool player who became a millionaire ordering costume jewelry from China and wholesaling it here across the country, starting in the 80s I think. Was maybe the first to consider it, took action, got rich. Isn't that the "American" dream?
 
Yes, China is an amazing country with an incredible history. NO country is perfect. I know a pool player who became a millionaire ordering costume jewelry from China and wholesaling it here across the country, starting in the 80s I think. Was maybe the first to consider it, took action, got rich. Isn't that the "American" dream?
They were smart and built out a infrastructure that serves the world. While we sat and had unions argue about non-sense. They saw a opportunity and ran with it. I can’t get mad at the Chinese. I am mad at our past leaders for letting America slip so much. When you go to China it becomes clear in about 10 minutes how far we as a country has slipped. Having said that most Americans enjoy a high standard of living.

Geoeconomics is a complex topic. And hate isn’t part of that conversation for me ever. I focus on what’s smart, good, & profitable.

I’m a biz man, never a hater.

I hate ignorance and laziness

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Fatboy
 
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