I've tried everything, need you guy's & Gal's help !!!

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Jumping up does not cause someone to miss.

Just an excuse.




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I have to disagree with that. Jumping up and failing to finish the shot / stroke goes hand in hand.

I used to tell the kids that came into my room to stay down and listen to the shot. There are three distinct sounds and the timing of each sound differs with each shot based on the spacing of the balls and pocket as well as the speed the shot is hit.

The sounds are the tip hitting the CB, the CB hitting the OB, and the OB hitting the back or bottom of the pocket. A sort of tick - tick - thud. Train your brain to be in tune with the sounds of the shot.

Before you get down, envision the shot, including CB path after the shot and develop a mental note of the sound and timing of the three sounds.

Then when you execute the shot, remain down to listen to all three sounds complete. This IMO does much more than the very common practice of counting to 3 before getting up after the shot. You have provided your brain with the visual and audio timing of the shot.

Now you simply stay down and watch and listen to the same thing physically happen to its completion, that your brain has already mentally executed.
 
There are some very good suggestions here already. I am going to throw this in here for consideration, so as to cover more bases. Pay attention to what type of shots you tend to do this on. The problem may be physical. You may be getting into an uncomfortable stance, reaching and so forth, so your body is trying to get out of that position as fast as possible. I don't know what shape you are in. I know that when my back is acting up certain stances pose balance issues and make it tough to shoot well. When my back is feeling well my stance is very stable and these balance issues are not present. May not apply to this situation at all, just something to think about.
 
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Jumping up does not cause someone to miss.

Just an excuse.




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Just silly. At least someone knows why they are missing, or making the ball but getting the wrong leave because they hit the cb in the wrong spot. So, yeah, it's not an excuse, he's trying to fix a problem he has. No different than someone that curls their wrist, or has a "chicken wing" etc.

You cannot ever correct a problem if you don't admit it exists. Thus, no excuse, he owned up to and wants to do better. Is that not what AZB is all about ?
 
Well if you jump up on every shot and never miss, what does it matter.

Different people have different styles of playing.

As long as you are making balls, you sure don't have to look pretty doing it.



So what's the problem with making balls and coming up on the shot?

It's a simple game...balls and sticks. It's been around forever.



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Well I consider myself a Student of the game & I can see myself improving.

There is one Hurtle that I'm having trouble with with Jumping up.

It's not all the Time.

I have read numerous article on it & it doesn't seem to have helped.

I guess the reason I'm having so much Trouble with it is I'm not conscience of it.

I know a lot of you have gone through this yourself or know someone who has.

If I can fix this issue I believe my game will go up a ball maybe two !!!

Interestingly enough, just today, Jennifer Barretta posted the advice you're seeking to her blog. (https://jenniferbarretta.wordpress.com/2016/02/16/why-you-probably-wont-get-better-at-pool/)
 
Well I consider myself a Student of the game & I can see myself improving.

There is one Hurtle that I'm having trouble with with Jumping up.

It's not all the Time.

I have read numerous article on it & it doesn't seem to have helped.

I guess the reason I'm having so much Trouble with it is I'm not conscience of it.

I know a lot of you have gone through this yourself or know someone who has.

If I can fix this issue I believe my game will go up a ball maybe two !!!

A lot of struggle with that - here is a short video that I made a few years ago that addresses that issue and provides some remedies.

Staying Down and Following Through

Some will say the you missed the shot because you jumped up.

Perhaps, but... perhaps your subconscious is making you jump up because it knows you are going to miss the shot & it, you, are trying to save it.

Personally I think is more often the second scenario than the first.

Do you jump up on every shot? No.

Do you jump up on shots that you make? Probably not.

That tends to tell me that the second scenario is the more likely one.

Many on here talk about a pre shot routine but the post shot 'routine' is rarely talked about.

It golf, to teach good balance, students are told to hold their finish until the ball hits the ground.

Well, something similar might be good for you.

Shoot the shot & hold the cue & everything else in the finish until you hear the ball go into the pocket.

Do a complete session of hitting shots at slow pocket speed & do not even look at the pocket but just hold the finish & listen. You might even close your eyes until you hear it.

Later you can do the same thing, but watch the ball. It IS important to see how the ball comes out of the collision & to see how any miss actually misses.

Well, that's my take & suggestions.

Good Luck with getting rid of the Peek A Boo.

Check out your eye pattern.

When a player looks at the cue ball last they might have a habit of "looking up" real quick. That snaps your head up.

Another tool is to always check your cue tip before rising.

randyg

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Jumping up does not cause someone to miss.

Just an excuse.




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I posted one of my early posts here for the same reason, the dreaded jump up. There's some great info in the posts that I quoted above. In fact, Blackjack's and Randy G's advice is what kept me going on the path to improvement. I followed their advice and went to see a BCA instructor. The most useful tool that I gained was the ability to self analyze and make adjustments from a fundamentally basic setup.

I jumped up horribly. It has taken me years to work out the problem. I feel that I have progressed 10 times faster than everyone else in spite of this. I still jump up but very in frequently. I know now how to handle it best.

I jump up because my subconscious knows that I'm doing something wrong or I'm doing something it doesn't like. Once you get used to listening to your inner self (he only talks in feelings) you will learn when to stop completely and start all over again. If not, the result is the jump up. I believe that there is wisdom in English's post above.
Poolguy4u is right, the jump up is a symptom of something else. Fix the problem not the symptom.

You also should get a pre shot routine. This will help you analyze your problems(mental, visual, physical). Visualize the shot before you get down and follow the same mental, visual and physical routine each time until you isolate a problem and then modify your routine.

If you stay with it, I bet you are going to find out that the dreaded "Jump up" is not a bad thing but instead a gift that if used properly will give you a great advantage over you opponents.

The last bit of advice is that you have to put your game under stress. Entering tournaments or something similar will do this. If you improve fast, keep finding people better than you to play to challenge you. It will bring out the flaws in you game quicker so you can correct them faster.

Two good books are, The Pleasures of Small Motions and the Inner Game of Tennis.

Good luck. It's a journey worth embarking on.
 
You cannot ever correct a problem if you don't admit it exists. Thus, no excuse, he owned up to and wants to do better. Is that not what AZB is all about ?

He doesn't want to do better badly enough. That's his problem.
 
It is hard enough to correct jumping up.

Even harder to correct both jumping up and turning away while recoiling away from the shot as though the balls will explode when they collide. ;)


ps: don't stand next to this type of player without safety eye wear.:p
 
I doubt you will read this in any book or have a BCA instructor tell you to do this...(until they read this and try it)...Everyone (I ever spoke with) usually says the same thing...."force yourself to stay down"...or force yourself to stay down until the ball is pocketed...etc. etc..........but I (accidentally) found the "secret" to staying down "naturally" on all shots....(Including the under pressure shots)

I will elaborate....(in your attempts to force yourself to stay down) ...."trying" or "forcing" yourself to stay down is a feeble attempt at best and will usually fail "under pressure" and forcing it will also lead to your body tightening up...being out of stroke rhythm etc. etc....

So....how do you stay down "naturally" without thinking about it?...."Exhale"

Of course like anything you have to practice this....but (during practice) when you build your pre-shot routine (all the way down to getting into your shot)....build your routine so that right as you get down into alignment with your shot you are in the process of "breathing in"....Once you are aligned start to "exhale" ...and keep breathing out while you shoot the actual shot......I have the routine dialed in so that as I get to the very end of the exhale (right before I start to breath in)...I am pulling the trigger on the shot....the key is to "NOT" be "fully" exhaled before you pull the trigger...you must be in "exhale" mode as you take the actual shot.

What is happening here?.....When you breath in...your body rises (and tightens)...as you exhale your body lowers and also "settles" ....Breathing in actually requires you to "contract" muscles...breathing out requires you to "relax" those muscles to expel the air.

Try it in practice for a while....what you will find is that if you are breathing out during the stroke...you "can't" jump up......You can actually test this right now sitting in your chair.....breath in and "hold it" (which I think quite a few players do during the shot) and notice that your upper body is "tight".....now exhale and notice how your upper body "settles" and relaxes.....in this "relaxed" mode is when you want to take your shot.

(Very similar to rifle shooters)

When I started practicing this method...I actually made a slight whistle sound through my teeth during the exhale...(audible feedback if you will)

I am sure quite a few are laughing at this right now.....and saying to yourself who the heck is this non BCA armature hack joker that has not posted here in ages.....

but for those that "jump up" or "raise up" during the final stroke.......This is your cure....you will never have to "think" about staying down....with this method it just happens..."naturally like it is supposed to"....now you will be able to think about the more important parts of the game....like the next shot you are going to take. :wink:
 
The reason why you're having trouble fixing your problem is because you go into automatic pilot when you're down on the shot. ---- You're letting your subconscious mind take over your actions. Your subconscious mind doesn't know right from wrong. It only knows habit.

There's only one way to fix any problem with your game, and that's to temporarily take conscious control over it until you change the bad habit into a good one, and your unconscious mind then starts to perform the good one when you go back on auto-pilot.

There are a few things you can do to address your problem. Try this for starters: Keep your bridge hand down on the table until after the ball is pocketed. That's not too drastic of a change and you will start to see the difference.
 
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