Ivor-X ferrules

[Metzger]

bobroberts wasn't distorting anything. He just based his questioning in a rhetorical manner.
The guy's a troll, he didn't like it when everyone didn't jump on his bandwagon so he has to keep going and going. It's amazing how he avoided that other guy's questions altogether which are very valid.

No, that's not what I'm implying.

If someone said, "I disagree with VH for this this and that reason," you would've expressed an opinion. But bobroberts said, "VH said this this and that and I think it's retarded," when VH said no such thing.

There's a difference between voicing a dissenting opinion (which is welcome as long as it makes some logical sense), and what bobroberts did (distortion). You merely called VH a troll, which I consider a baseless accusation, but that's just my opinion =)

-Roger

 

[bandido]

You build, built and continue to do so right?
QUOTE]
I'm sure that you follow "Bandido's cues", the "latest" one that I built 100% was the veneered v-spliced 5 pointer. I don't know of anybody else here in the Philippines who can build one, not from anybody else here in my shop or outside my shop. If it's a system or design that hasn't been seen from any other cue shop here then you can be sure that it only came from me. I teach to "a certain extent" and what I don't teach, I do myself. It is common practice here for assistants to jump from shop to shop for whatever reason, I don't know. And because of this phenomena, I keep a lot of knowledge and systems to myself.

All cuemakers here do flat bottomed inlays as their systems cannot turn out high quality, even length points with tight glue lines and even spacing between points, v-spliced points. I have no knowledge of any cuemaker here who has the engineering knowledge nor equipment to turn out the above described system.

There's nothing wrong with the flat bottom inlaying that they do as it works the best for them. It's what they're comfortable at and that matters a lot in order to turn out a good product.

 

[Joseph Cues]

You build, built and continue to do so right?
QUOTE]


There's nothing wrong with the flat bottom inlaying that they do as it works the best for them. It's what they're comfortable at and that matters a lot in order to turn out a good product.

I'd like to get comfortable with those sharp 5-pointers.

 

[WilleeCue]

They dont have milling machines available with index heads to do V spliced points? How about a lathe with an offset tailstock and a router mounted on the tool post. Someone should buy a Unique Products Taper/Shaper machine and really shake things up.

 

[bandido]

They dont have milling machines available with index heads to do V spliced points? How about a lathe with an offset tailstock and a router mounted on the tool post. Someone should buy a Unique Products Taper/Shaper machine and really shake things up.

I only know of one other who has the above equipment. It is one reason why I got sucked out of cuemaking retirement(in 1997), to teach a cuemaker here how cues are made where I came from (USA), the equipment used and how to properly use them. I found out that, to them, if their system works for them they hardly explore improvements on the methods which may entail additional considerable educational and capital investment.

Creating v-splices don't stop at the above equipment that you mentioned as those are just the major ones. Investment on and knowledge of veneer glueing, cutting/mitreing, cavity and inlay preparation are equally as important. But the most important of all is "consistent alignment" of the work piece from start to finish.

Edwin Reyes

 

[bandido]

They dont have milling machines available with index heads to do V spliced points? How about a lathe with an offset tailstock and a router mounted on the tool post. Someone should buy a Unique Products Taper/Shaper machine and really shake things up.

Willee,
If you want to make even length and spaced v-spliced points don't use a lathe with an offset tailstock. The unequal density around the "round" hole in the forearm
makes the work piece unstable when set on "offset tailstock" of the lathe. Vibration and pressure from the router pushes the edges of that hole diffrently at different pressure points. Round into ellipse, how stable would a non-full contact have? This is one factor that most v-splice makers consider as negligible but later wonders why their points end up uneven.

I also find that vertical approach of the toolbit produces more precise cavities than the horizontal approach. This is because of equal pressure applied to both walls of the v-groove instead of single wing pessure at a time. It is also easier to support the workpiece on the other side. There are also different ways of supporting the workpiece in order to stabilize this, there's single point rigid, full length rigid and variable pressure full length support.

Now, who said that all you need to know about cuemaking are available in books?

Edwin Reyes<just gave out one of his (not anymore)secret observations, now all you have to understand is the why of the how.

 

[bandido]

I'd like to get comfortable with those sharp 5-pointers.

You will, I'll make sure that I stay with you for a considerable amount of time when I come over in October.

 

[Joseph Cues]

You will, I'll make sure that I stay with you for a considerable amount of time when I come over in October.

Thank you sir.
Sushi bars here we come.
I hope we can watch Efren at Shooters , Hollywood and Hard Times then too.

 

[Vladimir_Putin]

To help those who are just joining us here the condensed version of this thread. Enjoy

Person1: There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!
Person2: Freedom itself was attacked this morning by a faceless coward. Freedom will be defended
Person1: Our initial assessment is that they will all die
Person2: The best defense against terrorism is a strong offensive against terrorists.
Person1: God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Iraqis.
Person2: For states that support terror, it is not enough that the consequences be costly-they must be devastating
Person1: No I am not scared, and neither should you be!
Person2: These acts shattered steel, but they cannot dent the steel of America's resolve.
Person1: Be assured. Baghdad is safe, protected
Person2: We must take the battle to the enemy, disrupt his plans and confront the worst threats before they emerge.
Person1: The Americans, they always depend on a method what I call ... stupid, silly. All I ask is check yourself. Do not in fact repeat their lies.
Person2: What our enemies have begun, we will finish
Person1: I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are pretending things which have never taken place
Person2: If we invade Iraq and the regime is very close to falling, I'm very, very concerned that the Iraqis will, in fact, use weapons of mass destruction
Person1: We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back
Person2: We're in fact on plan. And where we stand today is not, in my view, only acceptable but truly remarkable
Person1: The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies!
Person2: No one's killing more Iraqis right now than the Iraqi regime.
Person1: Lying is forbidden in Iraq. President Saddam Hussein will tolerate nothing but truthfulness as he is a man of great honor and integrity. Everyone is encouraged to speak freely of the truths evidenced in their eyes and hearts.
Person2: Retreat might give us a moment of respite but years of repentance at our weakness would, I believe, follow
Person1: I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad
Person2: As so often before on the courage and determination of British men and women serving our country the fate of many nations rest.
Person1: We have placed them in a quagmire from which they can never emerge except dead
Person2: We promise that the events of 1991 will not happen again - we have pledged to remove Saddam and we will deliver
Person1: I would like to clarify a simple fact here: How can you lay siege to a whole country? Who is really under siege now? Baghdad cannot be besieged. Al-Nasiriyah cannot be besieged. Basra cannot be besieged.
Person2: We go to liberate not to conquer. We will not fly our flags in their country,
Person1: they are nowhere near the airport ..they are lost in the desert...they can not read a compass...they are retarded.
Person2: The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his nemesis and that we are bringing about his rightful destruction.
Person3: I am the Great Cornholio I need TP for my bunghole
Person4: Look, I'm strokin' my wiener
Person3: Calm down. You're gonna soil your drawers

 

[bandido]

To help those who are just joining us here the condensed version of this thread. Enjoy

Person1: ....

Bwahahahaha!
Thanks to all you guys for your heads-up e-mails, you're so right that he does have the propensity to write a "lot" of GARBAGE!

 

[buddha162]

bobroberts wasn't distorting anything. He just based his questioning in a rhetorical manner.
The guy's a troll, he didn't like it when everyone didn't jump on his bandwagon so he has to keep going and going. It's amazing how he avoided that other guy's questions altogether which are very valid.

Hey, whatever. I'll let the other readers decide if bobroberts distorted VH's posts. It's all there for anyone to scrutinize.

As for your assertion that VH is a troll, usually that term is reserved for individuals who post for the sole purpose of causing strife and discord in an internet forum. I don't think VH's posts fit the bill, in any shape, way or form. He voiced his opinion and backed it up with sound reasoning, which is more than I can say for some of the people who attacked him personally for it.

Anyway, I'm not going to continue on this thread. Have a nice day.

-Roger

 

[Metzger]

He's a troll and anyone can see it. That guy was looking to cause strife and discord. He automatically attacked someone for no apparent reason hoping everyone'll jump on his bandwagon. When he didn't get the attention he wanted he kept trying to shove his opinion down everyone's throats.

As for your assertion that VH is a troll, usually that term is reserved for individuals who post for the sole purpose of causing strife and discord in an internet forum. I don't think VH's posts fit the bill, in any shape, way or form. He voiced his opinion and backed it up with sound reasoning, which is more than I can say for some of the people who attacked him personally for it.

Anyway, I'm not going to continue on this thread. Have a nice day.

-Roger

 

[mika888]

He's a troll and anyone can see it. That guy was looking to cause strife and discord. He automatically attacked someone for no apparent reason hoping everyone'll jump on his bandwagon. When he didn't get the attention he wanted he kept trying to shove his opinion down everyone's throats.

There is only one thing to find out if he is really a troll. Why not ask the network administrator to check the IP address of the posters? This would give us more or less an indication if he really is a troll. If the IP address are not the same, you can check the gateway if they come from the same carrier.

 

[WilleeCue]

Willee,
If you want to make even length and spaced v-spliced points don't use a lathe with an offset tailstock. The unequal density around the "round" hole in the forearm makes the work piece unstable when set on "offset tailstock" of the lathe. Vibration and pressure from the router pushes the edges of that hole diffrently at different pressure points. Round into ellipse, how stable would a non-full contact have? This is one factor that most v-splice makers consider as negligible but later wonders why their points end up uneven..

Never thought of that.
I use a machine designed to do that job so I really dont have any problems doing V-spliced points. (learned that from a video) <grin>

I see you are visiting the States in Oct.
Any chance you might get down this way.
I would love to meet you and talk shop for a while.

 

[bandido]

Never thought of that.
I use a machine designed to do that job so I really dont have any problems doing V-spliced points. (learned that from a video) <grin>

I see you are visiting the States in Oct.
Any chance you might get down this way.
I would love to meet you and talk shop for a while.

Hey, I'll seriously consider visiting there. Did you know that one of my ancestors is from Texas and even buried there in San Antonio?

Also, the reply about books and internet is not directed at any specific person but in response to its mention in this thread.

Thanks for the invite Willee!
Edwin Reyes

 

[bandido]

He's a troll and anyone can see it. That guy was looking to cause strife and discord. He automatically attacked someone for no apparent reason hoping everyone'll jump on his bandwagon. When he didn't get the attention he wanted he kept trying to shove his opinion down everyone's throats.

There are 25 legitimate cue shops here in the Philippines and 1 keeps getting on the boards and taking every opening to discredit the internationally accepted ones. That is how this thread got diverted and somewhere down the line he tried to slip a quick hit at me but unfortunately it backfired at him in a way that it was really drowning his purpose to discredit me. That is the reason for the sudden appearance of a "prominent Russian" named poster, to arrest the "against his plan" direction that this thread has taken. He had a legitimate opinion but he keeps trying to discredit Philippine cuemakers because he wants to be known as "The only internationally recognized cuemaker" coming from the Philippines.

Well, he needs to try harder!

Edwin Reyes

 

[Metzger]

I am aware of the fellow you speak of. I don't think the "prominent Russian" you speak of is him but rather a fellow who's just tired of the childish direction this thread is going.

There are 25 legitimate cue shops here in the Philippines and 1 keeps getting on the boards and taking every opening to discredit the internationally accepted ones. That is how this thread got diverted and somewhere down the line he tried to slip a quick hit at me but unfortunately it backfired at him in a way that it was really drowning his purpose to discredit me. That is the reason for the sudden appearance of a "prominent Russian" named poster, to arrest the "against his plan" direction that this thread has taken. He had a legitimate opinion but he keeps trying to discredit Philippine cuemakers because he wants to be known as "The only internationally recognized cuemaker" coming from the Philippines.

Well, he needs to try harder!

Edwin Reyes

 

[bandido]

I am aware of the fellow you speak of. I don't think the "prominent Russian" you speak of is him but rather a fellow who's just tired of the childish direction this thread is going.

You may be right but somehow I always find the resulting responses funny when greed and impatience turns the hunter into the hunted.
Edwin Reyes

 

[bobroberts]

Ivor-x ferrules

This is supposed to be the threadabout Ivor-x,now having said that someone jumped in when the discussion turned to the Viattorre team and started to talk about
what is a C.M. I couldn't resist but to try to get their goat by playing along with what is or what isn't.I for one could not care less if it is one guy or a group or a machine.I was just having fun seeing you all rant like a bunch of wash women.Efren you don't have to worry about what someone says, you know what you are capable of.V.H.he has his opinion,but he needs to grow up a little and not take everything so serious.The russian,well thats just a joke also.Now get back to the original thread and stop behaving badly.
B.R.

 

[bandido]

This is supposed to be the threadabout Ivor-x,now having said that someone jumped in when the discussion turned to the Viattorre team and started to talk about
what is a C.M. I couldn't resist but to try to get their goat by playing along with what is or what isn't.I for one could not care less if it is one guy or a group or a machine.I was just having fun seeing you all rant like a bunch of wash women.Efren you don't have to worry about what someone says, you know what you are capable of.V.H.he has his opinion,but he needs to grow up a little and not take everything so serious.The russian,well thats just a joke also.Now get back to the original thread and stop behaving badly.
B.R.

Thanks Bob, I do get feisty at times but more often now it's just for sh*ts and giggles. By the way, it's Edwin. Hey, Whatcha think of Django and his ivor-x ferruled shaft, doing good ha?