Ivory ferrule & ivory joint

42,000 pool hall in usa 1920's

Straight pool world championships 1912 winner Eward Ralph, Affredo De Oro ran 46 March 25 through April 6 1923-1924 James Carres James Keough Franklin St. Jean John b Kline Arthur Woods Benny Allen Tabernaki Greenleaf Rudolf Westo Mccoy Phalen wrote 5 bks on the American Record holders too bad he died in 1870 6th bk written by Dudley Kavanagh the first recipent of the golden cue Phalens days it was the diamond cue All of these guys playedwith the best and the best was ivory Hoppie included
 
taking care of ivory

your ivory should be wiped with a damp cloth after each use andsubsequently polish with a piece of soft woolen cloth or fine chamois skin. except in a few instances oil in no wise benefits ivory warm to cold is not recommened sudden change Zanzibar is considered soft ivory thoroughly seasoned Mr James Burroughes we turn out 10,000-20,000 balls Ivory two sizes made one for the Continental and American markets and one for the english On the Continent 2-1/4 and 2-1/2 england 2-1/16 The american game is based on the french On the continent they don't use pocket tables but in america they have what is a pool table,which has 6 pockets I'm done if this doesn't ring clear and loud I'm done. I hate being one of those guys who is always right and never wrong.you get an a for effort. Look at your Ivory ferrules as well look for the out side layer that is stronger 10 times. Just as with balls the outside of the tusk is the best.
 
HollyWood said:
None has the look feel,sound, resilency and accuracy of Ivory.
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Accuracy? Part of the esoteric nature of ivory was that they were not uniform. How could they be. Tusks don't grow spherical, and no two parts of even the same tusk are identical. You don't achieve accuracy with a ball that varies in density around its circumference, or has a nerve running through it's centre. The very fact that you had to cope with these variations used to be part of the art. Composite balls at least introduced the concept of uniformity and consistent playing conditions.

Boro Nut
 
Boro Nut said:
Accuracy? Part of the esoteric nature of ivory was that they were not uniform. How could they be. Tusks don't grow spherical, and no two parts of even the same tusk are identical. You don't achieve accuracy with a ball that varies in density around its circumference, or has a nerve running through it's centre. The very fact that you had to cope with these variations used to be part of the art. Composite balls at least introduced the concept of uniformity and consistent playing conditions.

Boro Nut
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Your're right and this was the main problem with using ivory for balls. Only a very small section of the tusk was used. From what I've read somewhere you would only get maybe 2 or 3 balls from a whole tusk. If Hollywood is right about the outer layer of the tusk being the hardest, this makes sense.

Producing matched sets meant more balls had to be made. I assume that rarely did you get 2 matched balls for the same tusk.

Now take a look at todays product. Put the balls on a scale and see the variance. There will be some in weight whether new or used. Even Aramith Pro Cup
 
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Hello again Turning ivory was an art. Brittner sometimes had to turn 75 balls to get perfect spheres for a championship match needed 3 balls. 1908 Daly Schaefer and sexton, Ives Slosson were all close personal friends. On of brittner's most cherished possessions was a Gold Ruler three inches long,presented to him by those great players to show their gratitude for contributing so greatly to improving and advancing the sport.The dedication John Thatcher makes to brittner should be taken serious. An understanding of the 'mysteries' of the ivories was something serious players and evry professional sought. An equally important fact was that only ivory of the finest quality was used in making billiard balls.Sometimes only one tusk of fifty was exceptable. Ivory balls were synonymous with perfection and luxury. by 1860 composition balls, such as poker balls, or zig zag balls, were used in pool games requiring more balls. In the space of thirty-six yrs the celluloid factoryon Newwark's Ferry street was the scene ofthirty-nine fires explosions resulting in 9 deaths and 39 injuries. Composition balls had been known to chip dent crack. Bakelite balls invented by Leo Henry Backeland in 1907. by 1912 synthetic balls achieved a level of perfection. Professionals took 25 yrs to change. Crystalate balls made in England by Hyatt by the Endolithic company made for a young Australian Player who made a series of the greatest breaks scores on a billiard table. Benzoline composition, Resin balls, Rashig balls, Vitalite comp balls which comp balls were you refering to. eighty percent of the billiard balls today are made by Saluc. (Aramith, Superaramith, Tournment Champion, and Crystalite. The best ivory balls were made from the 40's to 1975.
 
Ivory joints can crack more readily than steel and I have been advised by several cuemakers not to break with my ivory jointed cues. I have owned one ivory jointed cue that developed a crack. I personally feel that the beauty and value of the ivory is worth any tradeoff in durability.

As for ivory ferrules, they tend to be heavier than most man made alternatives, though one can split hairs about this point, it seems clear that the trend toward lower deflection favors lighter materials at the tip of the shaft. Predator's milled out shaft end and short ferrule might be one example. Again on a personal level, I prefer a long heavy ivory ferrule. It may deflect more on Mr Meucci's robot machine, but for me there is no better feel. If I miss, it's on me, not the ivory or the elephant who made it.
 
Ivory Joints and Ferrules play great. Unless you do something stupid like freeze/broil your cue in the trunk of your car, the ivory will last for years. I have several cues with Ivory Ferrules that are over 20 years old and I do not have the first crack in them.
 
BillPorter said:
and I found it quite informative. Of course, I am assuming that the facts that Thomas Wayne presents are true. Am I safe in assuming the veracity of Mr. Wayne's statements? While I tend to trust Mr. Wayne's word on this issue, I would have to do the research myself to be completely convinced. I make this last statement because I know that academic researchers have often erred when they trusted "secondary sources" instead of actually going to the primary sources themselves in their investigations.
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There is no definitive answer as to whose or which report is stating full fact. Readers reading and digesting reports used to support arguments and counter-arguments must use academic understanding and more importantly our God-given common sense. The only absolute way to prove whether African elephants or anything 'endangered' today is for you to go to Africa and to count them your self. Even then, your count may be only be precise but not accurate.

Culling is a universally known and accepted form of herd and land management. It is employed for all species whose population have grown exponentially in relationship to their need for habitat and food supply. I see no reason why the by-products of culling cannot be legally marketed when these products are legally sourced. Tree-huggers and poachers alike who are both extremes of the spectrum must come to midpoint. We all must look at the issue from a 'reasonable' approach and point-of-view. The goal should be effective management and use of the resources for the continuation of the species, preservation of the environment and maximum use of the products (e.g., ivory, meat, hyde etc.)
 
You have to rely on your cuemaker to use preban ivory. If you are buying from a dealer, you get what you get.

Why just limit yourself to Ivory, what about the decline of the rainforests, ever wonder where all of that wonderful exotic wood comes from?

I know, lets all play with plastic cues...no sorry need crude oil to make plastic, how about aluminum? Oh and leather tips, oh those poor cows and pigs :p

If you don't like ivory for whatever reason don't buy it.

grisbe said:
Think your ivory ferrule is "clean"? Think again:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/03/us.african.ivory/index.html

The illegal ivory trade is alive and well. How you really know if your cue contributed to the decline of a species, not to mention the violence that organized crime always causes?
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