Ivory ferrule question?

[AkersCues]

Hey guys quick question for you, I have put several ivory ferrules on and have noticed that if you cap and thread it you get more of a dead hit than if you cap and slip one on. has anyone encounterd the same results or is it just me, and if anyone could tell me the way that they prefer to do it and why. just curious.

Thanks!

 

[JoeyInCali]

You think by having a little thicker tenon and no gap between the top of the tenon and the bottom of the cap gives a harder hit?
My opinion is ivory ferrules have to be threaded b/c they shink and expand. If pressfitted, they might become loose and you also get that glue line at the bottom.

 

[BLACKHEARTCUES]

Hey guys quick question for you, I have put several ivory ferrules on and have noticed that if you cap and thread it you get more of a dead hit than if you cap and slip one on. has anyone encounterd the same results or is it just me, and if anyone could tell me the way that they prefer to do it and why. just curious.

Thanks!

I don't like threaded ferrules of any kind. I've used the slip on capped & uncapped method & never had a problem. I do make the tenon a little smaller to get more wall thickness & always use a fiber waffer...JER

 

[rhncue]

I don't like threaded ferrules of any kind. I've used the slip on capped & uncapped method & never had a problem. I do make the tenon a little smaller to get more wall thickness & always use a fiber waffer...JER

I do the same as you. Ivory being so fragile, I make it's wall thickness as thick as possible for a little added strength. I don't recommend fibre pads to people as it's one more place for glue to fail but I do put them on all ivory ferrules, once again, as because the ivory needs all the help it can get.

Dick

 

[Sheldon]

Ivory is not that fragile, in my experience. I've had more micarta ferrules break than Ivory. I even put a 1/4" long ivory ferrule on a 10mm shaft for a guy that broke with it. He's about 6'6" tall and breaks like a gorrilla. The ivory ferrule held out for almost 6 months.....

 

[Arnot Wadsworth]

Ivory Ferrules

Ivory is not that fragile, in my experience. I've had more micarta ferrules break than Ivory. I even put a 1/4" long ivory ferrule on a 10mm shaft for a guy that broke with it. He's about 6'6" tall and breaks like a gorrilla. The ivory ferrule held out for almost 6 months.....

I agree with you Sheldon. I have put ivory ferrules, joints and butt caps on hundreds of cues with no problem. I don't use pads with the ferrules just plain ivory in a tenon "thru" configuration. I don't try to fix something that ain't broke.

I know that some cuemakers in this forum don't like to use ivory for some reason but I have fould that ivory is not as fragile as some would have us believe.

Good cuemaking,

 

[cutter]

Ivory ferrule question

I've done it all three ways described. I don't think you can tell the difference in the hit. Capped my have alittle more ring(sound) to the hit. But then again IMO that's about all you get from an ivory ferrule. Except easy to keep clean. I don't like any extra weight at the tip end of the cue. But you can't beat the sound a good ivory ferrule makes.

Steve

www.kleincues.com

 

[spliced]

I've used the slip on capped & uncapped method & never had a problem. I do make the tenon a little smaller to get more wall thickness...JER

For non ivory ferrules, such as Ivorine4 and saberT, how thin can the ferrule wall be and still be strong enough? Seems like a short, super thin wall would be best to eliminate any extra weight.

 

[Arnot Wadsworth]

For non ivory ferrules, such as Ivorine4 and saberT, how thin can the ferrule wall be and still be strong enough? Seems like a short, super thin wall would be best to eliminate any extra weight.

I think you are correct. Considering that the diameter of a 13 mm shaft is about 1/2 inch I use a 5/16 tenon which is wood and 3/16 of ferrule material which is thick enough to take up most of the impact and protect the shaft by distributing the impact across the wood and ferrule material. It has worked for me with only a couple of ferrules replaced in the last 12 years. These are NOT capped ferrules I am speaking of and include Ivory, Melamine and SaberT.

I don't know how thin the ferrule material can go without blowing out too quickly but I do know the thinner it is the weaker it gets. I like my way.

Good Cuemaking,

 

[Koop]

To the guys who don't use fiber pads with ivory.

Isn't one of the main points in using these to reduce deflection? How do they play without them? I know from experience that playing with an ivory ferrule with no pad that I could not control the amount of deflection I was getting. Just curious to know if you have heard similar complaints or is there something else you do to negate this.

Regards,
Koop

 

[cutter]

Ivory ferrule question

Never heard of a fiber pad reducing deflection. Just a piece of fish paper fiber with glue on both sides. I like the look of the black or red "ring" between the tip and ferrule. And some customers desire that look. But looking at mechanics or physics, shouldn't do anything for deflection plus or minus. Then again I don't want to start into all the deflection rhetoric. Probably difference in tip or actual shaft that caused the difference in perceived deflection. As for protecting the ferrule. Unless you are using a xtra hard tip, the tip it's self should absorb enough energy to protect the ivory. As to the question of wall thickness, I've gone out to .312 on melamine ferrules and never had one break.

Steve
www.kleincues.com

 

[MVPCues]

I'm with Steve. When looking at the physics, unless the pad is made of lead, there is no reason it should affect the amount of deflection.

Kelly

 

[BarenbruggeCues]

Hey guys quick question for you, I have put several ivory ferrules on and have noticed that if you cap and thread it you get more of a dead hit than if you cap and slip one on. has anyone encounterd the same results or is it just me, and if anyone could tell me the way that they prefer to do it and why. just curious.

Thanks!

Well..........I was going to stay out of this one, but just can't keep me yap shut.
I suspect that you may have encountered the difference between two tips and not the way the ferrule has been installed. What type of tips have you put on both of these installs?
That's not to say it couldn't be the ferrule.......................
I like big threaded, through tenons for all my installs..... .700 long, pads on everything.
Get the weight off is my theory....Predator has done all the testing for us.....some of the better shafts I've played with have no ferrules. Hard sell to the public though! Some people don't understand the chalk goes on the tip...not the ferrule!
Some of my thoughts on the business end of the cue.........