Jay Helfert, re: Gary Spaeth

Never knew Gary and not many of the great players mentioned in this thread. But Vernon Elliott was a close friend of mine so via his stories to me of his experiences playing most of these great players I feel like I knew them. Vernon never played tournaments otherwise his name would be as prominently mentioned as any. Notice that Jack Cooney isn't mentioned as well and I suspect he wouldn't be far off the mark in any game either. Vernon never had exceptionaly high praise for anyone who didn't gamble and gamble high but he had very high praise for Gary Spaeth. When I asked him about Gary Spaeth his eyes would light up and he would say; Gary is a player. From that comment I knew Gary was the real deal.
Yes You're right about Vernon. He and Clem Metz were 2 of the best players to play the game and neither would shoot in tournaments. They'd sometimes show up as it was ending and often robbed the tournament winner when they felt invincible and had some cash!

Vernon was a good friend of Gary and I. We were in pool room in Chattanooga once trying to scare up some action. Gary made a cheap game with some kid and played a few games before the kid pulled up. While they were playing, I saw Vernon come up to the door, stop and leave. I wondered what that was about but stayed watching Gary. When Gary was done and we had some time to kill we left to find some lunch. When we got outside Vernon got out of his car and came over. I asked him why he didn't come in and he told me. All those guys in there know me and if they knew you knew me your action would have been knocked. We took Vernon to lunch of course! I asked him once how he came up with some of those proposition shots he was so famous or should I say infamous for. He said no ones going to pay you for making easy shots unless you shoot 10,000 of them in a row but it's easy to get them to bet against an imposible shot! I just figured out how to make impossible shots and get paid for it.

and Clem.. Clem was the consumate pool hustler with a little bit of larceny thrown in for good luck. I've known Clem since I bought my first poolroom,
Royal Family Billiards of Oakley, in Cincinnati. It was THE action room in Cincinnati at the time while being sort of an "old school" pool room. Clem and I became pretty good friends there. He was a bit past his prime but I found he could still move and run out "at will" on a barbox when I got pissed off about the sandbagging in the APA. I put together a team of hustlers from the poolroom who'd never played in a league before so they had to qualify. Most of them were busted by the "pool police" who recognized them from local tourrnaments and their handicaps rose dramatically. Eugene Metz remained a 2 for a couple of months until someone on our team screwed up and slipped by calling out from the bar "Hey Clem, can I get you a drink?" That was the end of that team. lol I once asked Marshall "Squirrel" Carpenter at the Hall of Fame Banquet about Clem and he told me "You know, at one time I thought I could beat anyone in the world playing one-pocket, Except Clem!" That's pretty strong! Clem told me a lot of stories and I half thought he had that ailment Freddy talks about "Pool players amnesia" or he was stretching the truth a little, but all of the old guys I've talked to, Cornbread, Joey, Grady, Danny all said that Clem had a speed of his own almost like thay talk of Efren! And like I said Clem wasn't above a little larceny. He did some time in jail. He once told me about playing a "sucker" somewhere and he had the guy in a mortal lock with the sucker spotting Clem the 8 ball. Clem was laying down trying to take off a big score not just beat the guy one set but he only had $500 to his name and it was on the light! He let the guy win a couple of games to keep it pretty close, so he would think he had the best of it when Clem won on what was supposed to look like he got lucky. That was the plan anyway! Well when it was 5-5 racing to 7, and just having just received a gift when Clem laid the 9-ball in the jaws intentionally, the "sucker" was up to break. He made the 9-ball twice in a row to win the set. Clem told the guy, "Leave the money on the light, I'll get you $500 out of my car and we'll play another set" He went to his car and instead of getting money (he didn't have) he got his 38 S&W and went back and took the money off the light. He told the guy "You just don't understand! You didn't have a chance in that game, I let you win 4 of the 7 games and I got to have this money"! and away he went..... Of course, I don't aprove of what he did, but that had been 20 years before and was a hell of a story!
 
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i love reading all these old time banks stories, Having played Broomback I just dont see how it is possible to have a "Better" player than him, I'd say equal, he never missed, playing me-never he would just shoot all the balls off the table and I'd rack-one game I made 3 in a row-I felt like a champion(we played break a piece or i'd still be there racking, we played quite a few hours over several sessions-i'm a real good raker :) ). LOL,kinda like the Bugs videos I seen, he played the game as good as it can be played. You an argue for ever who played the best one pocket because its a moving and offence game, as is full rack banks-but in 9 ball racks or 6 ball racks after 12 hours the rolls even out and i dont think there is a better player than Bugs, Broomback or taylor-I bet it would be a tie. Like that tennis game the other day-thery were dead even, some games in life its not possible in games, to have "all time best and in pool I believe thats bank's more so than any other game in pool", unless you factor in pressure then maybe Jett, Bryan gregg, clem, and a few other past champions might get a edge due to pressure, but just the ability to pocket banks, I think therr are a few ties.


ok now that I upset up everyone let the flames begin.
 
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I give

Geez, Freddy, I put a happy face at the end of it. No biggie.

AND, I take it as an insult that you took it as an insult that you thought I took it as an insult!

Lou Figueroa
or suumthin'
like that :-)

I came to the conclusion long ago that there is no absolute win with you. Matching up must be a nightmare.

Beard;)

I'll try an emoticon
 
I came to the conclusion long ago that there is no absolute win with you. Matching up must be a nightmare.

Beard;)

I'll try an emoticon


Freddy, I laughed so hard when I read that that my wife came out of the other room to ask what the hell was going on. Thanks for the compliment :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
Lou always needs 2 get the last word :(:rolleyes:


Here, let me bring this down to your level so you understand:

R U sur? Cuz U put out alot of shtty posts URself, allways needing 2 get in the last letR.

Lou Figueroa
at least I can shoot
for the last *word*
 
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