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Jayson Shaw’s 832 World Record is Official
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If you play on 760 all the time it is no harder than 860--it is easier to add power than to add delicacy. Since this NG insists that 860 is the gold standard, it is fairly obvious why you have control issues on 760. The reverse is not necessarily true.
vintagecollectibles831
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I agree with those that feel only a player with an above average tempo can run this many balls, and that makes Filler the most likely. Fedor Gorst and Lee Van Corteza might also be capable of such a run.
vintagecollectibles831
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Do you think anyone will ever try to beat the record?
I wonder who else has even come close to beating Mosconi's record, other then the last guy to beat it.
Jayson must have a lot of love for the game, to go through all that he went through. Must have had to take a lot of time out of his life, to train for those amazing feats.
Waiting for any official attempt on tiny pockets.
It lost 90% or more of it's value when it was not only beaten but absolutely crushed by what seems to be a clean run. I think anyone that claims a record should sell two copies of the run together. One absolutely untouched and unedited then another for self commentary and watchability. One reason long videos are a hard sell is that they can get boring for most people. Need one version for authentication and history and one for watchability.
Hu
cant even compare this with mosconi's run. totally different conditions for both sides of them.
this run is incredible of course. and will be broken again if someone wants to put the time and work in to it.
and hours and days of repeating over and over tries. and a reason for doing it.
this run is incredible of course. and will be broken again if someone wants to put the time and work in to it.
and hours and days of repeating over and over tries. and a reason for doing it.
The idea was to showcase the video with no editing at all just like it happened with only adding commentary. People can always fast forward to the start of each new rack.
Maybe one day we might make a video to eliminate the time between racks but for now a 100% authentic uncut and unedited version is where we are at.
I don’t know what conditions you are thinking of.
The pockets on Mosconi’s table were 5.0 inches at corners and 5.5 at the sides. The 832 table was 4.9 inches in the corners and 5.3 at the sides. Mosconi’s table was46x92 playing area and the 832 table is 50x100. Mosconi’s table had new cloth and so the 832 table did also. I would agree that the balls are better now.
Jayson beat his own World record of 714 so Mosconi’s record is long in the past and Jayson has ran a 560/714/832 which beat Mosconi's 526 in 3 different occasions.
i said plainly you cant compare them. you seem to take most things said as attacks on his run. it wasnt one.
but all the conditions were different.
mosconi did not have air conditioning. shows up a half hour before, hits a couple balls and starts the exhibition. didn't clean his balls or cue ball the times i saw him play. i dont know how often your guy did.
mosconi had one try at it each time he had an exhibition. and stopped the exhibition after he got to one hundred total. this time he kept going for whatever reason. doesn't matter.
your guy prepped for it and had unlimited tries and started with a perfect break on a table that the balls splatted when broke most times.
both were great feats although different. except for a number of balls run.
there is no present specific standard for the conditions for it to be a world record. yours is presently. and deserving that you put it together.
but all the conditions were different.
mosconi did not have air conditioning. shows up a half hour before, hits a couple balls and starts the exhibition. didn't clean his balls or cue ball the times i saw him play. i dont know how often your guy did.
mosconi had one try at it each time he had an exhibition. and stopped the exhibition after he got to one hundred total. this time he kept going for whatever reason. doesn't matter.
your guy prepped for it and had unlimited tries and started with a perfect break on a table that the balls splatted when broke most times.
both were great feats although different. except for a number of balls run.
there is no present specific standard for the conditions for it to be a world record. yours is presently. and deserving that you put it together.
L.S. Dennis
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You're absolutely right, and let me say that nobody will ever know how Mosconi would have played on Jason's table or how Jason would have played on Mosconi's table there at East High Billiards club. But one thing for sure, the conditions they played under were certainly different. it's my understanding that Mosconi went there to play on a 9 foot table ( not a Brunswick) which most likely had new cloth but since he's was under Brunswick's employ at the time they had to switch him over to a Brunswick 8 footer which most likely did NOT have new cloth. Another thing I haven't heard mentioned, is that Mosconi was there doing this exhibition and was certainly not there to try to break any kind of record. Just there to another exhibition on his schedule and was most assuredly dressed in coat and tie, dress shoes certainly not comfortably dressed to try to break some kind of record. The number of times I saw Mosconi play, he was always impeccably dressed. Both what Jason accomplished and what Mosconi accomplished were great in their own regard and cannot be compared IMO.
If the choice is just one version I much prefer the one you have went with. I don't think it is the most marketable version. I was genuinely considering your best interests when I suggested both versions on the same media. Hardcore addicts might watch the video once straight through and will probably break it down into several sessions to do that.
I bought some earlier videos(not yours) and some pay per views. I watched the DVD once which made the purchase price pretty expensive. Events that run multiple days or long hours I usually watch a tiny fraction of. It seems like buying a fine steak and only eating two bites.
I put together a DVD of an event years ago. Very nice production values. As I suspected there were five to ten copies bootlegged for every one I sold.
I wish you luck in this and future ventures. I don't think anyone has hit on the magic formula yet.
Hu
Having seen Mosconi shoot a number of times, when he was well past his prime, my opinion is that: had he been offered time on the same table as JS's run, and while in his prime, it would have gone something like this:
He would have walked in, taken his jacket and tie off, shot a couple of warm up racks and said, "Let's go." Then he would probably have run some number past JS's number, laid down his cue and said, "I'm hungry. Can we get a sandwich?" After eating he would have picked up his cue again, go well past 1,000 balls and then looked at Bobby and ask, "How long we going with this?" Then he would have run a few more and said, "Let me know when someone gets past this run and I'll come back beat that."
As to conditions? Probably the most pertinent one would be that Mosconi wouldn't need weeks of repeated attempts on perfect equipment and with ideal conditions. He was used to walking into a different pool room packed with people, 300 days a year, with a variety of environments, take two warm up racks, and run 100 virtually every place he played.
So, IMO, Mosconi would have run balls on the JS table for-ever.
Lou Figueroa
He would have walked in, taken his jacket and tie off, shot a couple of warm up racks and said, "Let's go." Then he would probably have run some number past JS's number, laid down his cue and said, "I'm hungry. Can we get a sandwich?" After eating he would have picked up his cue again, go well past 1,000 balls and then looked at Bobby and ask, "How long we going with this?" Then he would have run a few more and said, "Let me know when someone gets past this run and I'll come back beat that."
As to conditions? Probably the most pertinent one would be that Mosconi wouldn't need weeks of repeated attempts on perfect equipment and with ideal conditions. He was used to walking into a different pool room packed with people, 300 days a year, with a variety of environments, take two warm up racks, and run 100 virtually every place he played.
So, IMO, Mosconi would have run balls on the JS table for-ever.
Lou Figueroa
L.S. Dennis
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I like it, you may very well be right! Didn't I read somewhere that Sigel said "if Mosconi could have played on today's modern 760 cloth he would have run 2000!" This isn't taking away from Jayson though, what he did was remarkable to be sure.
Mosconi said it wouldn't be hard to run 1000. I believe him, not hard for him! A person would have to consider the sum total of the conditions Mosconi shot in and modern players shoot in. Pocket sizes or no, I believe that it is still easier to run balls in modern conditions.
Today's players are great but we will still be talking about Willie Mosconi when they are forgotten.
Hu