Jb..vs...Lou-one pocket shot

That's a terrible leave for someone needing only one ball.
I can already see multiple shots superior to that one.

Unless of course he was trying to lay the cue on the end rail
and just dogged the speed by 6ft.
 
alphadog said:
Excellant analysis really only risk vs reward
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IMO, excellEnt analysis takes penalty into account. If you have a 10% chance of making a ball, and the reward would be 5 more balls, that's only 2/3 of the analysis. If you have a 10% chance of making a ball, a reward of making 5 more balls, but a PENALTY of losing the game, I personally think analyzing the penalty is just as important. But, that's just me. And I'm not smart. Maybe it is just risk reward.

-td
 
td873 said:
IMO, excellEnt analysis takes penalty into account. If you have a 10% chance of making a ball, and the reward would be 5 more balls, that's only 2/3 of the analysis. If you have a 10% chance of making a ball, a reward of making 5 more balls, but a PENALTY of losing the game, I personally think analyzing the penalty is just as important. But, that's just me. And I'm not smart. Maybe it is just risk reward.

-td
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You believe exactly what I do!
Yours just explains it more.

This is a good civil thread.Too bad they are so rare!
 
Maybe I'm looking at the score wrong but it looks like Lou needs 2 and john needs 1. I think Lou was trying to get both balls in play. From the still photographs it looks like he was trying to pocket the ball so 2 would be on the spot and john would have to break them up possibly leaving multiple shots. But Lou hung up the ball instead of pocketing it.

Anyway that's my C player analysis:)

Edit to add if that's what he was doing its a pretty standard 1 pocket concept.

Also edit to add that was far from a bih type spot shot situation. He was frozen to the end rail with the CB.
 
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iusedtoberich said:
Maybe I'm looking at the score wrong but it looks like Lou needs 2 and john needs 1. I think Lou was trying to get both balls in play. From the still photographs it looks like he was trying to pocket the ball so 2 would be on the spot and john would have to break them up possibly leaving multiple shots. But Lou hung up the ball instead of pocketing it.

Anyway that's my C player analysis:)

Edit to add if that's what he was doing its a pretty standard 1 pocket concept.

Also edit to add that was far from a bih type spot shot situation. He was frozen to the end rail with the CB.
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As far as the spot shot goes- making it still does nothing for the last ball
you still need- so I would have passed on it.
Dont think Lou executed what he had in mind.
 
8pack said:
Here's the shot.Looking at it now ,Im banking the ball on the spot back up table being that John needs 1. I don't understand why Lou did what he did.He actually left John an easy cross bank which he almost made.3 pictures,the shot ,what Lou did and how close John came to making it.
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OK, my recollection on this is a bit fuzzy. I think it was late the first night and between practicing and the match I'd been on my feet for like 12 hours. (That I turned 60 last year didn't help.)

I may be mistaken, but I believe that was the game where I was down 7-1 and came back a ball at a time and now it was 7-6. My thinking was that the spot shot, with the CB so far away, was a potential sell out. And after having battled so long to get back in the game I wanted to wait for a better percentage shot. I believe my intent was to spin the CB up to the end rail behind the ball on the spot but miss hit the OB or misjudged the speed and left the free cross over bank.

Lou Figueroa
 
If i am down and my opponent needs one ball, i would not attempt the spot shot, but 3 games up, and with hard safe on the 11, and i am pocketing balls, i would have taken my chance on the spot shot, very soft barley makes the pocket, i would shoot it on the pro side so not to leave a bank, and thin hit will send CB to the middle of table, this way both balls out of play if i missed..
 
naji said:
If i am down and my opponent needs one ball, i would not attempt the spot shot, but 3 games up, and with hard safe on the 11, and i am pocketing balls, i would have taken my chance on the spot shot, very soft barley makes the pocket, i would shoot it on the pro side so not to leave a bank, and thin hit will send CB to the middle of table, this way both balls out of play if i missed..
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Really not possible.cb will be moving at about same speed as the objecball
Try it you will be surprised. Like I said earlier,even if you make the
Spot shot you still need 1. You move for a better oppurtunity. No gaurantees!
 
alphadog said:
Really not possible.cb will be moving at about same speed as the objecball
Try it you will be surprised. Like I said earlier,even if you make the
Spot shot you still need 1. You move for a better oppurtunity. No gaurantees!
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Not true. You have about 7 diamonds of cb vs two for ob, with thin colission you loose about 10 to 20% of speed that if you hit soft enough to mark it, rail ads a bit of speed so 7 diamonds becomes about 5 enough to get to middle of table, slightly harder if you miss ob, ob might travel to 1st diamond near pocket and 6 diamonds for cb.
But if you hit ob really thick then you loose 4 diamonds from cb and ob goes to bankable or straight shot.

But again I agree not shooting it OK 50/50 I guess
 
naji said:
Not true. You have about 7 diamonds of cb vs two for ob, with thin colission you loose about 10 to 20% of speed that if you hit soft enough to mark it, rail ads a bit of speed so 7 diamonds becomes about 5 enough to get to middle of table, slightly harder if you miss ob, ob might travel to 1st diamond near pocket and 6 diamonds for cb.
But if you hit ob really thick then you loose 4 diamonds from cb and ob goes to bankable or straight shot.

But again I agree not shooting it OK 50/50 I guess
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Spot shot from picture requires aprox. 1/2 ball hit so....you sloooow roll miss and prob leave a bank. Or shoot harder and you may leave a long rail , or 2,or3 rail bank.
 
lfigueroa said:
OK, my recollection on this is a bit fuzzy. I think it was late the first night and between practicing and the match I'd been on my feet for like 12 hours. (That I turned 60 last year didn't help.)

I may be mistaken, but I believe that was the game where I was down 7-1 and came back a ball at a time and now it was 7-6. My thinking was that the spot shot, with the CB so far away, was a potential sell out. And after having battled so long to get back in the game I wanted to wait for a better percentage shot. I believe my intent was to spin the CB up to the end rail behind the ball on the spot but miss hit the OB or misjudged the speed and left the free cross over bank.

Lou Figueroa
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It really looks like you tried to just nudge the ball and leave the cb on top of it.Bringing the cb down table,wouldn't you wanna move the ob to the other side of the table?Just wondering. I like the layout on this ,there's a lot of options here.
 
alphadog said:
Spot shot from picture requires aprox. 1/2 ball hit so....you sloooow roll miss and prob leave a bank. Or shoot harder and you may leave a long rail , or 2,or3 rail bank.
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OK I will give you this one, promise to agree with me next time on other posts..
 
naji said:
OK I will give you this one, promise to agree with me next time on other posts..
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I will try! I practice spot shots from everywhere on the table ,while always trying to maintain cueball path. One day on 1 pkt.org there was a wwyd post that
Involved a spot shot. Billy Incardona said thin the ball on spot, leave
whitey here. I looked at shot posted not possible.He replied not even
Hard to do. I set up shot, tried it 3 times, and hell he was right. I had
to post an apology.
We all need to keep a open mind and allow ourselfs to learn.
 
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8pack said:
It really looks like you tried to just nudge the ball and leave the cb on top of it.Bringing the cb down table,wouldn't you wanna move the ob to the other side of the table?Just wondering. I like the layout on this ,there's a lot of options here.
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I think you are right -- I was probably trying to put him on top of the ball and jack him up.

Lou Figueroa
 
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