Jeanette Lee and the crowd

[landshark77]

One word, ettiquete. I'd have to say that a Professional should shake his/her opponents hand immediately after the match, just like we always see in tennis, golf, squash, etc. It's ettiquete, and it should be maintained IMO.

Dave

I would concur with that Dave.

A funny story (sort of): I was playing pool on Friday night. My husband was my opponent. After the match I walked over and we shook hands. A fellow player and friend asked why we shook hands; he said that we were married. He said that he doesn't shake his friend's hands after a match let alone his wife's. I think EVERYONE, not just the Pros, should be respectful of their opponent. I approach my opponent for the handshake prior to doing ANYOTHER activity, win or lose. After that contact then let's give the high fives, the Balki dance of joy and all the other nonsense that really doesn't mater.

 

[Tbeaux]

I think EVERYONE, not just the Pros, should be respectful of their opponent. I approach my opponent for the handshake prior to doing ANYOTHER activity, win or lose. After that contact then let's give the high fives, the Balki dance of joy and all the other nonsense that really doesn't mater.

TAP,TAP,TAP

Great point LS and you're right , I just don't think that if in the exuberance of the moment a player takes a few moments to celibrate first that it hurts anything too much.I have yet to see Jeanette or any other womens player not shake the hand of/or even give a hug to their opponent before their opponent left the table area.

 

[Williebetmore]

One word, ettiquete. I'd have to say that a Professional should shake his/her opponents hand immediately after the match, just like we always see in tennis
Dave

Dave,
Perhaps you haven't watched much tennis. It is EXTREMELY common for the winner to exult first, then shake hands second. For 40 years or so the winner exulted by jumping the net first, then shaking hands. Nowadays they just fall to the ground and cry first, congratulate opponent second. In my book there is ABSOLUTELY NO BREACH of etiquette in celebrating a little first - anyone who thinks otherwise is probably a little unrealistic in their expectations. Isn't it a little obsessive/compulsive to think that there is a proper order of celebration/congratulation that all must follow???

 

[DaveK]

Dave,
Perhaps you haven't watched much tennis. It is EXTREMELY common for the winner to exult first, then shake hands second. For 40 years or so the winner exulted by jumping the net first, then shaking hands. Nowadays they just fall to the ground and cry first, congratulate opponent second. In my book there is ABSOLUTELY NO BREACH of etiquette in celebrating a little first - anyone who thinks otherwise is probably a little unrealistic in their expectations. Isn't it a little obsessive/compulsive to think that there is a proper order of celebration/congratulation that all must follow???

OK, we'll likely end up disagreeing to a point willie. But what I read was that JL did some grandstanding for the camera first, the crowd second, and then shook her opponents hand, hardly 'a little' celebration. When Safin beat Hewitt he absolutely celebrated first, for perhaps 10 seconds, by himself on his knees, then went over to shake Leytons hand, THEN acknowledged the fans etc. The pre-handshake celebration was very minor, more of a gigantic 'WHEW' than an 'in-your-face' celebration, and I have no problem with that. When Serena won the ladies side it was similar. I enjoyed the match between Safin and Federer much more, great tennis. I have been watching a great deal of tennis lately, and no, I don't believe that this is obsessive/compulsive, just etiquette/manors. Gracious winners acknowledge their competitor first, IMO.

I also discovered this quote on the Masters.org site just now :

Bob Jones' Message
"In golf, customs of etiquette and decorum are just as important as rules governing play. It is appropriate for spectators to applaud successful strokes in proportion to difficulty but excessive demonstrations by a player or his partisans are not proper because of the possible effect upon other competitors.

Dave, who may be showing his Canadianisms a bit here

 

[landshark77]

Gracious winners acknowledge their competitor first, IMO.

Another way to look at it is who should be the first person to congradulate you on a win? Your opponent. Why deny them of this? I of course am speaking from a loser's perspective.

 

[buddha162]

Her chosen occupation probably doesn't help any with the pain either so you know she must absolutely love pool.

She must really love 5-inch heels too, cuz that can't be any good for her back =)

I might not be a fan, but I worry about her back/general safety everytime she steps up to break with those heels. It's unbelievable how she could leave ground, both feet, and land perfectly everytime she breaks. Now THAT is some talent...

-Roger

 

[Tbeaux]

She must really love 5-inch heels too, cuz that can't be any good for her back =)

I might not be a fan, but I worry about her back/general safety everytime she steps up to break with those heels. It's unbelievable how she could leave ground, both feet, and land perfectly everytime she breaks. Now THAT is some talent...

-Roger

I've heard that having your heels slightly elevated can help some with back pain,but you're right 5" ers have gotta hurt anybody, bad back or not. As someone with degenerated discs in my spine I can definately sympathize with JL. I think it was at the Florida tournament she bent over for something and you could see a very painful grimace when she straightened up. It amazes me that she's able to get so low over her cue on shots and occasionally throw a leg up on the table instead of going for the bridge.

 

[Rickw]

Good Luck Gremlin

Hello Gremlin,

I sincerely wish you well with your practice sessions. Maybe one of these days we will meet in a tournament as opponents. I assure you that if we do, I will immediately offer you my hand and wish you the best of luck. And, when you're shooting, I will remain seated too. I will also do as some of the other posters here suggested, immediately shake hands with you win or lose before I do anything else.

I am not concerned with what you do away from this board, however, when I say something controversial (you usually know it when you do) I try to respond to subsequent posters so they'll understand what my intentions were. I think it is a real sign of maturity to stand up for what you think even if it is unpopular.

Again, thank you for providing all the wonderful pictures! I'm not trying to pick on you Gremlin, I'm trying to offer constructive criticism. Miss Q's post, for example, was an excellent example of being critical and demonstrating why that criticism was warranted. If you had done the same, I would not have said anything about your post except to suggest that Jeanette was indeed wrong. I like Jeanette and I think she has done a lot for pool but like everyone else on this planet, she is not perfect and neither are you or I. We can only improve if we are willing to correct our mistakes. I make them and try to correct them if someone points them out to me. If I have been too critical of you, I appologize.

Good luck again with your practice and I hope you attain the high standards that you have set for yourself Gremlin!!

Hello Rickw,

Your supposition about what you perceive as demeaning is no ones opinion but your own. Your suppositions were incorrect as the photo reflects what happened. I have nothing against victory celebrations. I do think your obsession with when I am in this forum and not is rather strange and reflects your total lack of other diversions in your life which I hope you change. There are to many diversions in my life for me to spend very much time on line in any kind of forum. I type my opinion here and so do you. If you disagree with me or don’t like what I have to type don’t read it. Also do not tell me who to type about in this or any other public media. Sorry, the only thing in this forum we could agree on is the Newport Jazz Festival. I promise to never mention your name, Jeanette’s or the WPBA again ever as long as I am a member of this or any other media my websites included.

Me, I am going to practice pool and when I complete my 50 banks in a row I will do the Duck Walk before I start my 50 kicks. When I practice breaking up 50 clusters. I am going to put a vhs in the player of July 4 Celebration so I can play the National Anthem back and hear the fire works go off while I dance around the room. Finally, when I finish making 50 combination shots I will dance an Irish Jig out the door for CR & candle light steak and lobster dinner with milady.

Finally and most importantly the next match and every other match I play win or lose in this life. I will take apart my cue, sit in my chair like a gentleman, until the TD announces the result and shake my opponents hand. Oh, you will never see me rise from the chair when my opponent misses until he sits down in his chair. Pool used to have rules even etiquette and gentlemen and ladies. Last photo for you which is a nice display of emotion 2001 World Games Winner.

“Gremlin”

 

[Rickw]

I have never won the US Open or any huge tournament that was televised. I think most people would probably agree that the proper etiquette would be to shake your opponents hand first while discussing this issue in a dispassionate moment but I can only imagine the emotions that are raging inside you when you do win. I think we should be a little forgiving if someone gets a little carried away and caught up with emotions. I loved the story about JJ and Gabe Owens acknowledging each other when they each won the US Open. Did they shake hands with their opponents first? Who really cares that much?

 

[vapoolplayer]

I have never won the US Open or any huge tournament that was televised. I think most people would probably agree that the proper etiquette would be to shake your opponents hand first while discussing this issue in a dispassionate moment but I can only imagine the emotions that are raging inside you when you do win. I think we should be a little forgiving if someone gets a little carried away and caught up with emotions. I loved the story about JJ and Gabe Owens acknowledging each other when they each won the US Open. Did they shake hands with their opponents first? Who really cares that much?

well i can safely say, that if i ever win a major tourney, that it will be at least 10 minutes before i get around to shaking my opponents hand........LOLOL. no offense to the opposition, but i'll be so damn excited i'd forget that there was even an audience there.

point being, don't make such a big deal about the shaking hands thing, because i doubt ANY of you would walk directly over and shake hands if you won a major tourney........i know i wouldn't.

thanks

 

[Kerry Impson]

In looking over the photo of Jeanette and Kim, I must ask: Isn't it possible that the fan held out his hand to Jeanette first for the high five and not the other way around? And wouldn't it then be rude for Jeanette to ignore the fan? Especially if, as it appears in the photo, Kim was putting her cue away and not just sitting there, idly waiting for Jeanette's handshake. (It seems quite possible that Jeanette was on her way to Kim to shake her hand and the fan offered her a high five.) I'm not trying to take sides here, just offering a possible scenario to consider.

 

[CaptainJR]

Just a quick question.
I was wondering how you go from 'This person is going to feel like a Mac truck ran over them' to 'going over to them and trying to be freindly' in a matter of 10 seconds?

 

[bsmutz]

Don't forget that it is "a pot gut" fan. I agree with RickW that Gremlin's posts are sometimes demeaning. It would be difficult to believe that he would show ettiquette and good will to his pool opponents when he obviously is very rude to people he doesn't even know!

 

[DaveK]

Just a quick question.
I was wondering how you go from 'This person is going to feel like a Mac truck ran over them' to 'going over to them and trying to be freindly' in a matter of 10 seconds?

A true professional athlete should have this skill IMO. One should be able to keep some isolation between the competitor and the person. Having said that, I'm sure we've both seen people who are unable to do so.

Dave

 

[vapoolplayer]

Mrs. Impson,

I took the photo, I was twelve feet away, I did not have any such perception. Do take sides once in a while, please as it is very stimulating.

"Gremlin"

i'm not trying to start any shit here, just giving another point of view........why can a pro football player go jumping into the crowd after they win, but a pro pool player can't high five a spectator after the win?

are some of you people that hypersensitive that you would find it offensive if someone celebrated and didn't shake your hand or waited a minute to shake your hand?

thanks