Jerry Rauenzahn

Bamacues said:
What I said was that the quality of their (Scruggs/Rauenzahn) workmanship was often compared, ie, sharpness of points, quality of construction.

I don't really wish to debate this with you, you're wrong and you're new to the industry, I don't really see a point to it. Anyone who makes the comparison is being kind to Jerry, very kind, and I am in no way saying his cues aren't nice.

Call Timmy and ask him if he thinks Jerry makes a good quality cue for the money.

First of all just adding the "for the money" part is proof to what I'm saying, it shouldn't be there. As far as asking Tim about anyone (let alone another maker) is silly, Tim is a great guy and would never bad mouth anyone.

I think you will find that he will have nothing but good things to say about him.

And everyone else for that matter, do me a favor, call Tim and ask him about me:-D

Jerry survived in a very small market for a very long time.

Another bad point for your side of the argument. Small market??? That's funny! Some of the top guys in the industry live in places where you don't see a pool hall or a pool player for months, what is a big market? Is Baltimore a large cue market? there are about 6 cuemakers there, how about New Mexico, or Alaska LOL I know a bunch of cuemakers and not one of them have a drive up window, market has nothing to do with cues.

A great many cuemakers have come and gone in much less time. As Fred (I believe) said, you don't survive very long in this business by making crap.

Does he do cues full time? Is cues how he pays his bills?? I doubt it, the fact is there are very few people who survive on cue sales alone, there really isn't enough money in making cues to support a family, the fact is the overwhelming majority of guys in the business do it part time or as a hobby, the guys (one man shops) who depend on cues for their only source of income can probably be counted on 2 hands. In any event the fact that you like this guys cues is great and I'm not debating your view on him, it's just that a comparison with a legend is tough, and Tim is a Legend IMO.

Jim
 
runscott said:
Fred, the unproductive stuff was the insults and misquotes from Jimbo...period. I don't appreciate that stuff and I won't respond to it in the future.

You might as well not respond because this is all just lies and since you have no proof the best thing for you to do is lie and run and hide.

As I have said repeatedly, I'm thankful for all the advice I've gotten, both on this board, and from others that I've shown the cue to, and contrary to your beliefs, I have been listening since the very first post - I'm here to learn and I'm surprised you think I was sleeping the entire time and needed Jimbo's insults to "wake me up". I don't need anyone's insults.

You said I insulted you, that was a lie the proof you tried to use came from a post that was made AFTER you made that claim. The fact is you took things the wrong way and you are stubborn. I really don't mind giving advice here and sometimes I do it in a way that comes across poorly (I can admit this) but the fact is when someone who is less educated comes here and asks for advice and then blows people off it's insulting, and that's just what you did, believe it or not. I knew how you were from the post where I wished you luck in life. I should have opted out then because it was clear from then that you are one of those people who are unable to learn and take advice, I just hope Jerry also sees it and charges you, you deserve it. Keep claiming you were insulting and ignore me all you want the thread will be here and anyone who wants to see the proof can read it for themselves.





After hearing enough advice and understanding the situation, I completely agree that the cue has a problem, but I also think it's minor, it doesn't affect playability, and the cue is not going to "fall apart" as some have hinted. Agreed, I would not have called Jerry about it any time soon if I had not been participating in these board exchanges, but I felt that this "conversation" wasn't going to be resolved until I sent it in, and I needed to either do that or walk away from this thread. I think several people here were interested (at least slightly) in an outcome, and I had the "new shaft" excuse for mailing off the butt anyway. So it's done, and I'll report back when I have more information.

More proof that you just don't care to educate yourself, buying a new shaft doesn't require the butt to be sent, but since it was *YOUR* excuse you can hide behind it all you want and you can feel smart. I'm not sure what it is in your personality that doesn't allow you to take people's advice and just go into something with an open mind, but it will cost you down the line. I'm sure you'll think this is all an insult, Do with it what you will and please continue not to respond because so far your responses have been lies.

As far as "misrepresenting" this board - I don't lie about anything. I also have participated on enough public forums to know that none are troublemaker-free, and I'll do my best not to be one of those. If I didn't enjoy this forum and think it was exceptional, I wouldn't be here.

You may not think you lied, but you did when you said I insulted you and I am sure given that info that you twisted and misrepresented this board (and Me) when talking with Jerry. I am sure you just did it according to your take on what happened, but again your take from day one was that you weren't educated and I guess some things didn't change.

Jim
 
Fred Agnir said:
I don't think anyone would appreciate it. However, if you go back to this thread, on Page 3 and carefully read each post, you will not find one insult to you or misquote from JimBo. Your response of "kick in the crotch," was the first hint that you were getting pissed off, yet I don't see one low blow from JimBo. Maybe you expected one, even though one never came???

You must be wrong Fred, he doesn't lie

Posts after page 3 don't matter, since you were already getting pissed off. And remember, you responded to one of my posts and had to delete since you read it out of context, apparently. I didn't see your deleted post, so I have no idea what it was, but I'll guess you went off on something you thought I said or you thought I meant?

Again, read page 3 again, thoroughly. You won't find the misquotes and insults you are reporting.

Fred

Fred I have a rep, nobody will reread anything, the truth never matters and it's easy to believe his side. But the facts will back me up and he'll ignore them so life goes on.

Jim
 
runscott said:
Fred, I'm the newbie here and I totally understand the situation - Jim has "earned" the right to insult whoever he wants and if I don't like it, then I can leave. Okay, thanks - I'm gone.

Bama, etc. - if any of you are curious how the cue situation ends, send me an email in about a month and I'll give you the update. Thanks again everyone for the advice - hope to see you in other threads.

LOL yes I earned the right, now please show us all where the insult was prior to your "kick in the nuts" post. O wait you can't because you're gone now, I ran you off. LOL

Jim
 
hondo said:
Jim, just a question, don't get mad at me. Are you on
the same medication as my buddy, Fast Larry?


LOL who is FL LOL

How can I not get mad when a guy refers to me and FL in the same post:-)

In any event I'd say I'm just misunderstood :-P

Jim
 
JimBo said:
LOL yes I earned the right, now please show us all where the insult was prior to your "kick in the nuts" post. O wait you can't because you're gone now, I ran you off. LOL

Jim

That's just mean.

Fred
 
JimBo said:
That's just funny.

Jim

What a team! Perhaps separated at Birth?
 

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Shorty said:
You shouldn't insult Laurel and Hardy like that!

J/k Fred!

Shorty
Hey, I'm just trying to have some fun. These guys helped me out - I'm grateful, but reject their "crotch kick" analysis - JMO. But again, I apologize to Jim for not reacting as he thought appropriate, and if he edits his future posts for words like "moron" and "shill" before submitting, I have no problems.

I have read Fred's posts as a lurker for ages, and have always been impressed. I'm an old guy, but can learn - I played with bar sticks for over 30 years (and I still suck), so I am going to ask some stupid questions now that I finally own some cues, and the responses are going to cause me to ask even more questions...but I won't just jump up and take action until I'm comfortable - that's just me.

I am sitting here watching "The Hustler" with the commentary on - great stuff.
 
runscott said:
I apologize to Jim for not reacting as he thought appropriate, and if he edits his future posts for words like "moron" and "shill" before submitting, I have no problems.
Words that will never be edited out of Jim's posts:

Moron
Shill
Threw
Manor
Liar
Clueless
Mad
Design Theft

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I have had two Rauenzahns....1 was much older than the other new one.

the old one was a purpleheart titlist conversion (5/16-14 ss) he did. it was a sweet copy of a balabushka..rings, inlays, joint above the wrap..everything...flat gorgeous and a hell of a player...

the new one was more southwest(3/8-10 FF ivory joint) in design and again was aesthetically very pleasing to eye and was a very nice and solid hitting cue. i picked it up at the derby of this year...i have heard only good to great things about jerry, his cues and repair work...

hope this helps....and no, i dont work for jerry and have never talked to him personally... :p
 
runscott said:
Hey, I'm just trying to have some fun. These guys helped me out - I'm grateful, but reject their "crotch kick" analysis - JMO. But again, I apologize to Jim for not reacting as he thought appropriate, and if he edits his future posts for words like "moron" and "shill" before submitting, I have no problems.

I thought you were going?? I really have no problem with you other then the fact that you keep bringing this up. Please show me where I insulted you or used any of those words prior to your "Kicked in the crotch" post. You made a claim that I had been insulting and it's not true. Maybe you need to work on your comprehension skills and get some thicker skin if you plan to ask more questions.

I have read Fred's posts as a lurker for ages, and have always been impressed. I'm an old guy, but can learn - I played with bar sticks for over 30 years (and I still suck), so I am going to ask some stupid questions now that I finally own some cues, and the responses are going to cause me to ask even more questions...but I won't just jump up and take action until I'm comfortable - that's just me.

I think your behavior in this issue speaks a lot about how come after 30 years you still suck (your words) seems like maybe someone along the line might have shown you how to get better, but you decided to wait till you're comfortable before taking action. Sometimes being stubborn is a nice trait, other times it might hinder your growth.

I am sitting here watching "The Hustler" with the commentary on - great stuff.

Sounds like a nice afternoon.

Jim
 
hondo said:
So, guys, your opinion. How did I do?
$405 on EBAY got me the following:
2 Rauenzahn used but hopefully in good shape cues.
Both GREEN butts. One plain, 1 with 4 ebony points
and a leather wrap.
Also, 2 by 4 hard case- cheap I assume.
Haven't received yet but I'm curious about
how this deal sounds to you folks. Thanks.


Three & one-half weeks & still no cues! I'm getting a
$425 sick feeling in my stomach.
 
That's great to hear - let us know how you feel about the workmanship and hit. And that green has too look better than in the pictures!
 
runscott said:
That's great to hear - let us know how you feel about the workmanship and hit. And that green has too look better than in the pictures!

nice looking cues. hit very well. one of the shafts is 12mm
which feels weird but other shaft is 13. they were in good
condition but obviously well played.
 
hondo said:
nice looking cues. hit very well. one of the shafts is 12mm
which feels weird but other shaft is 13. they were in good
condition but obviously well played.
I just received my refinished cue from Jerry - it is immaculate. He told me that it was 4-5 years old. It could have had multiple owners - the old shaft had lots of dings and had obviously not been taken very good care of, so it wouldn't surprise me if one of the previous owners had exposed it to conditions they shouldn't have. He charged me $50 to refinish and was extremely pleasant to deal with. When I decide to design a cue I will certainly have him build it.

Thanks to those who gave me advice and information on points, especially Fred. I AM stubborn, but also studious.
 
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