Joey A and CTE

I remember reading that thread at some point. Here is a post from Spidey:


SpiderWebComm said:
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Hal saying, "Just center-to-edge it and the ball goes in the hole. There's only one shot."

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Hal making sure my brother, Marc, is arcing his pivot properly.
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In another recent thread Stan told me that CTE has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with pivoting.


stan shuffett said:
Hal Houle confirmed to Dave Segal that what I am doing is, in fact, CTE and not just some version.
I have not developed anything for my own purpose but rather have sought to unravel what CTE is and I have done exactly that.
I thoroughly understand pivot and what it is and what it isn't. Pivot point is a nothing aspect of real CTE. I repeat: NOTHING
I have not been forced to do anything. CTE is what it is. I have peeled the layers away over the years and will present CTE in its absolute most purest form.
You don't know me very well if you think I have not succeeded in what I set out to accomplish.

Stan Shuffett
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Elephant Man said:
I remember reading that thread at some point. Here is a post from Spidey:





In another recent thread Stan told me that CTE has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with pivoting.





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Manual, mechanical pivoting is NOT a requirement for CTE. One's cue can be angled but a pivot in the form of a mechanical movement is not a prerequisite to get there. Having said that, Pivoting can work and is an advantageous aspect of the process when one's vision is correctly used to lead the process.
Hal knew what he was doing!
Stan Shuffett
 
Dan White said:
I found the thread from 2013 about Aiming System Testimonials to be pretty interesting. There was a thread started by Joey right after he learned from Stan, here:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=186656

I'm very interested to hear Joey's position on CTE 7 years later, for better or worse.

Thanks,
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Joey's post that you reference is one of my very favorites. It speaks to the strength of the CTE system 7 years ago. At the time that I had worked with Joey I was only weeks into rediscovering CTE. I am many years down the road now and more importantly thousands upon thousands of hours logged for looking at and working with CB-OB relations on a 2x1 surface.
Yes. It would be great to get Joey's thoughts and then again his thoughts after having seen the fruits of my ongoing labor with CTE. I'd be thrilled to host joey at any time for that purpose.

Stan Shuffett
 
Dan,
Just last night I was asked by a friend who knows me quite well if I used CTE because he saw me moving around the object ball to look at the precise contact point on an object ball shot.

He mentioned that he has seen me show others CTE but that it didn't look like CTE to him. I told him I didn't use CTE on the shot he was talking about.

He wanted to know if I still used CTE. I told him that I use CTE and other methods for aiming when I am not in the flow or when I am under pressure and not feeling confident about making the shot. One of the great things about CTE is it FORCES you to pay attention to your alignment. Sometimes I get so confident in playing well, that I lose the precision of my alignment, taking shots for granted. CTE and other aiming systems get me back on track and back into flow.

While I haven't been back to see Stan in these several years, I am positive that the CTE has been refined even further.

My beliefs about ALL aiming systems hasn't changed much over the years as I have stated previously: All aiming systems work! Some aiming systems will work for one particular person better than another (that's why I recommend everyone learn as many of them as possible.) ALL AIMING SYSTEMS MAKE YOU PAY ATTENTION (focus). Those who attempt to discredit any aiming system are just begging for their moment in the sun. (I guess that's all right but it sure seems to make them look like haters.)

When you learn an aiming system, it gives you a feeling of accomplishment and a new confidence that wasn't their before and that's a good thing for sure.

Stan Shuffett is one of the best instructors I have ever been around and when we cross paths again, I will invest time with him and learn more about CTE (Center to Edge) and pool in general. I also enjoy teaching others how to play pool and always like to add additional perspectives to my lessons.

JoeyA

P.S. I hear that Stan is writing a new CTE book. :cool:

But more importantly, it is APPARENT at least to me, that others besides myself, have benefited from learning CTE and I recommend learning it to all.
 
JoeyA said:
P.S. I hear that Stan is writing a new CTE book. :cool:

But more importantly, it is APPARENT at least to me, that others besides myself, have benefited from learning CTE and I recommend learning it to all.
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Well I can't disagree with much of that endorsement. The only thing that I and many others (and perhaps yourself) disagree with is the stated mechanism by which CTE helps people shoot better. I was a little disheartened to find that Stan does not plan to explain how CTE actually works in his new book, but rather just the ABC steps of how to perform it.

Thanks for replying.
 
Dan White said:
Well I can't disagree with much of that endorsement. The only thing that I and many others (and perhaps yourself) disagree with is the stated mechanism by which CTE helps people shoot better. I was a little disheartened to find that Stan does not plan to explain how CTE actually works in his new book, but rather just the ABC steps of how to perform it.

Thanks for replying.
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Disheartened in the NE!

CTE works only on a 2X1 table. Change the table dimensions and you diminish the effectiveness of the system accordingly. There are 3 angles inherently critical to any regulation table. Those angles are 15 30 and 45.....In CTE the critical perceptions for connecting with the right angles of a regulation table just happen to have objective descriptions for the visuals of 15 30 and 45. Change the visuals and again CTE will not work.
I will show all the details of HOW to employ CTE. The WHY for the existence of objective visuals that lead to 90 degree angles on a pool table......will be answered one day but not by my mind.
CTE is a phenomena or an outlier that does not at this time couple with conventional logic. The logic is there but it is beyond your intelligence to figure it out.
I placed THREE TABLE GEOMETRY videos on YouTube well over a year ago.

Stan Shuffett
 
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stan shuffett said:
Disheartened in the NE!

CTE works only on a 2X1 table. Change the table dimensions and you diminish the effectiveness of the system accordingly. There are 3 angles inherently critical to any regulation table. Those angles are 15 30 and 45.....In CTE the critical perceptions for connecting with the right angles of a regulation table just happen to have objective descriptions for the visuals of 15 30 and 45. Change the visuals and again CTE will not work.
I will show all the details of HOW to employ CTE. The WHY for the existence of objective visuals that lead to 90 degree angles on a pool table......will be answered one day but not by my mind.
CTE is a phenomena or an outlier that does not at this time couple with conventional logic. The logic is there but it is beyond your intelligence to figure it out.
I placed THREE TABLE GEOMETRY videos on YouTube well over a year ago.

Stan Shuffett
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I think we just said about the same thing. You are going to explain how to employ CTE, but not why it works. All I am saying is that maybe it isn't some mystical outlier phenomenon that eludes logic. Maybe there is a rather simple answer and maybe it has been suggested in this forum many times.

It is not logical to state that you don't know how it works, yet at the same time have the certainty to dismiss all explanations other than your own personal (unproven) theory.

It simply cannot be an objective system and work for all angles. Why is that so hard to understand? Do you think it makes your CTE Pro1 less attractive if you say that the system requires the player to fill in the gaps? I don't think it really does. If people play better using it, then that is the important thing. Why oversell it with this "objective" business when you don't even know if it is objective or not, and it probably doesn't even matter to new players anyway?
 
Dan White said:
I think we just said about the same thing. You are going to explain how to employ CTE, but not why it works. All I am saying is that maybe it isn't some mystical outlier phenomenon that eludes logic. Maybe there is a rather simple answer and maybe it has been suggested in this forum many times.

It is not logical to state that you don't know how it works, yet at the same time have the certainty to dismiss all explanations other than your own personal (unproven) theory.

It simply cannot be an objective system and work for all angles. Why is that so hard to understand? Do you think it makes your CTE Pro1 less attractive if you say that the system requires the player to fill in the gaps? I don't think it really does. If people play better using it, then that is the important thing. Why oversell it with this "objective" business when you don't even know if it is objective or not, and it probably doesn't even matter to new players anyway?
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You are a bugar eating hater!

Let's get one thing straight. No matter what I ever present about CTE....it will never satisfy you. And I do not give a damn.

Stan Shuffett
 
Dan White said:
I think we just said about the same thing. You are going to explain how to employ CTE, but not why it works. All I am saying is that maybe it isn't some mystical outlier phenomenon that eludes logic. Maybe there is a rather simple answer and maybe it has been suggested in this forum many times.

It is not logical to state that you don't know how it works, yet at the same time have the certainty to dismiss all explanations other than your own personal (unproven) theory.

It simply cannot be an objective system and work for all angles. Why is that so hard to understand? Do you think it makes your CTE Pro1 less attractive if you say that the system requires the player to fill in the gaps? I don't think it really does. If people play better using it, then that is the important thing. Why oversell it with this "objective" business when you don't even know if it is objective or not, and it probably doesn't even matter to new players anyway?
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I don't fill in any gaps. In fact if i try i miss.
How do you explain that if i make an adjustment i miss.
 
stan shuffett said:
You are a bugar eating hater!

Let's get one thing straight. No matter what I ever present about CTE....it will never satisfy you. And I do not give a damn.

Stan Shuffett
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It is my understanding that you were a math teacher. I'm guessing 3rd grade, because that is a third grade level reply if I ever saw one.
 
Dan White said:
It is my understanding that you were a math teacher. I'm guessing 3rd grade, because that is a third grade level reply if I ever saw one.
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Your replies are way lower than 3rd floor. Your responses are full of hate that reek of evil.

Stan Shuffett
 
Dan White said:
It is my understanding that you were a math teacher. I'm guessing 3rd grade, because that is a third grade level reply if I ever saw one.
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Furthermore, I take that as a compliment. I like to think that my mind is still creative, imaginative, open and boundless as that of a youngster that has not been poisoned by the likes of your imposed limitations and narrow-mindedness. I am immune to your poison that is filled with hate.

Stan Shuffett
 
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stan shuffett said:
Furthermore, I take that as a compliment. I like to think that my mind is still creative, imaginative, open and boundless as that of a youngster that has not been poisoned by the likes of your imposed limitations and narrow-mindedness. I am immune to your poison that is filled with hate.

Stan Shuffett
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OK, Stan, whatever you say.
 
Dan White said:
I think we just said about the same thing. You are going to explain how to employ CTE, but not why it works. All I am saying is that maybe it isn't some mystical outlier phenomenon that eludes logic. Maybe there is a rather simple answer and maybe it has been suggested in this forum many times.

It is not logical to state that you don't know how it works, yet at the same time have the certainty to dismiss all explanations other than your own personal (unproven) theory.

It simply cannot be an objective system and work for all angles. Why is that so hard to understand? Do you think it makes your CTE Pro1 less attractive if you say that the system requires the player to fill in the gaps? I don't think it really does. If people play better using it, then that is the important thing. Why oversell it with this "objective" business when you don't even know if it is objective or not, and it probably doesn't even matter to new players anyway?
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Nice post Dan. If its helping people who cares about anything else.
 
Dan White said:
OK, Stan, whatever you say.
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What's this?
You back in this aiming place again ?????
You said you "gave up"......................???
Work your 12 step program, then you can resist somewhat. :D
Go to your meetings..go to your meetings.
:happydance: <===me singing the "Welcome Back Kotter" song
 
Dan White said:
It is my understanding that you were a math teacher. I'm guessing 3rd grade, because that is a third grade level reply if I ever saw one.
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He tries to answer to the level of those he is speaking to.

So much for you being done with CTE, huh? You just can't stop hating, can you? And, for the record, your failed arguments aren't any better than the other dozens of times you have tried to use them. They still make no sense to anyone that knows even a little about the system.
 
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