JoeyA's "SECRET" Bank Shot.

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JoeyA

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This shot has brought a lot of enjoyment to my personal game and I hope it will bring some fun and success to yours as well.

Since I haven't seen this shot detailed in any books or on the Internet, I will for now call it JoeyA's "SECRET" Bank Shot. :D

There are two pages to the layout. The first layout is how most people attempt to shoot this shot which has mixed results. The second layout has far more positive results but like anything, it takes practice.
The shot is far easier than it looks and with a little practice you will increasingly send the object ball toward your pocket.

The text seems to keep disappearing so I will write in a couple of notes about the shot at the bottom of this page.

JoeyA's "SECRET" Bank Shot

The way JoeyA likes to shoot the shot

Shoot this shot 10 times using only side spin and using the same aiming point, shoot this shot 10 times using low-right side spin instead of just side spin and you will notice that the object ball will consistently track toward your pocket using low-right. There is a difference and it is pronounced and consistent if your stroke is smooth and straight. With a little practice you can confidently add this shot to your aresenal of weapons.
Don't concern yourself with scratching in the side pocket or any pocket for that matter. At first simply practice making the object ball then you can tweak the path of the cue ball as you become more proficient with pocketing the object ball. The shot is fare easier than it looks.
JoeyA
 
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No second page??

JoeyA said:
This shot has brought a lot of enjoyment to my personal game and I hope it will bring some fun and success to yours as well.

Since I haven't seen this shot detailed in any books or on the Internet, I will for now call it JoeyA's "SECRET" Bank Shot. :D

There are two pages to the diagram. The secret to pocketing the ball is on page 2.

JoeyA's "SECRET" Bank Shot Link.
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Joey.
I didn't have a second page. This "one pocket" shot comes up quite often. As a matter of fact it is in the Efren vs. Alex DVD from Derby City 08. Freddy comments that the shot requires lots of spin and that the farther away the more of the spin gets scrubbed off. I shoot these with inside (in your diagram LH) and try to let just the transfered spin bank the ball into the opposite corner.

best regards..........Paul
 
Paul Mon said:
Joey.
I didn't have a second page. This "one pocket" shot comes up quite often. As a matter of fact it is in the Efren vs. Alex DVD from Derby City 08. Freddy comments that the shot requires lots of spin and that the farther away the more of the spin gets scrubbed off. I shoot these with inside (in your diagram LH) and try to let just the transfered spin bank the ball into the opposite corner.

best regards..........Paul
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Paul, I checked the layout before copying the URL and the second page was there. I'll work on it in a few minutes. My second page will have something different than what you have described. Let me work on it.
WEI!
JoeyA
 
Page 2 came up fine for me.

Great post Joey.

Just wondering if you have ever tried this shot (or similar shots) using inside high, which if executed properly sends the cue ball to the top rail - then behind the object ball, getting it out of the way. Just wondering if that would work on this shot or not - or does the angle eliminate that as an option?

P
 
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Blackjack said:
Page 2 came up fine for me.

Great post Joey.

Just wondering if you have ever tried this shot (or similar shots) using inside high, which if executed properly sends the cue ball to the top rail - then behind the object ball, getting it out of the way. Just wondering if that would work on this shot or not.

P
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Blackjack, I have tried this shot every conceivable way. My experiene may be different than other players but when I use any inside English the cue ball regularly bumps into the object ball a second time causing the shot to be missed far too often to risk using it.

The other thing about the high inside or high outside is that the swerve seems to start taking effect far sooner than the low-outside spin and so on most table cloths, I can more accurately send the cue ball to the correct contact point using low-right/outside spin. The outside spin allows the cue ball to get out of the way of the object ball and the low-right consistently allows the object ball to track toward the pocket instead of back and forth across the table.

JoeyA
 
Blackjack said:
Page 2 came up fine for me.

Great post Joey.

Just wondering if you have ever tried this shot (or similar shots) using inside high, which if executed properly sends the cue ball to the top rail - then behind the object ball, getting it out of the way. Just wondering if that would work on this shot or not - or does the angle eliminate that as an option?

P
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Your unconverted link shows the second page perfectly but when I view my own link, I have the same problem as Paul. Thanks!
Joey
 
JoeyA said:
Blackjack, I have tried this shot every conceivable way. My experiene may be different than other players but when I use any inside English the cue ball regularly bumps into the object ball a second time causing the shot to be missed far too often to risk using it.

The other thing about the high inside or high outside is that the swerve seems to start taking effect far sooner than the low-outside spin and so on most table cloths, I can more accurately send the cue ball to the correct contact point using low-right/outside spin. The outside spin allows the cue ball to get out of the way of the object ball and the low-right consistently allows the object ball to track toward the pocket instead of back and forth across the table.

JoeyA
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Joey
Usually with inside, I get the "kiss" or I end up mis-hitting the object ball, so my experience in in line with yours. This looks exactly like the shot that Voodoo Daddy hit me with all day long a few months back.
(wondering where the New Texan is).

Thanks again,Joey. I'm printing this one out right now.
 
JoeyA,

Thanks for sharing. I play a lot of banks and shoot this shot exactly as you described. Its one of my favorite banks, it also works pretty well with a much steeper angle from my experience.. These are my favorite things on AZ.

Peace, JBK
 
teedotaj said:
thank you for sharing :thumbup:
any more secret shots you would like to divulge?? :p
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You would have to go to my blog for that. :smile:
JoeyA
 
Interesting....
I had a similiar shot come up last night during BCA 8B.

The 8B was between the 1st and 2nd diamond.

I used inside (left english) with a little top (about 1/2 tip). I sank the 8 to win the game.

I am sure the 8B being closer to the pocket and 1st diamond increases the probability of double kissing, but I still prefer the inside english because the CB's track line should hit the bottom rail and go to the OB's point of origin....and since the OB will no longer be there....there won't be any double kiss.
 
At least this shot...

won't make a permanent groove in my cloth..... and dents in my wall from flyin' whitey!! Like "JoeyA power stroke drill". :wink:

Nice tip!! Tap tap tap....

td
 
This shot is detailed on Willie Jopling's 1-Pocket dvds. BTW, it requires NO sidespin (just draw), to avoid a collision, or to bank it cross corner, as you have. As long as the CB is on the same side of the rack, as the OB, the OB banks easily, without scratching, and without a double kiss. This bank can be made, even if the OB is frozen to the rail, and down close to the pocket.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

JoeyA said:
This shot has brought a lot of enjoyment to my personal game and I hope it will bring some fun and success to yours as well.

Since I haven't seen this shot detailed in any books or on the Internet, I will for now call it JoeyA's "SECRET" Bank Shot. :D

There are two pages to the layout. The first layout is how most people attempt to shoot this shot which has mixed results. The second layout has far more positive results but like anything, it takes practice.
The shot is far easier than it looks and with a little practice you will increasingly send the object ball toward your pocket.

The text seems to keep disappearing so I will write in a couple of notes about the shot at the bottom of this page.

JoeyA's "SECRET" Bank Shot

The way JoeyA likes to shoot the shot

Shoot this shot 10 times using only side spin and using the same aiming point, shoot this shot 10 times using low-right side spin instead of just side spin and you will notice that the object ball will consistently track toward your pocket using low-right. There is a difference and it is pronounced and consistent if your stroke is smooth and straight. With a little practice you can confidently add this shot to your aresenal of weapons.
Don't concern yourself with scratching in the side pocket or any pocket for that matter. At first simply practice making the object ball then you can tweak the path of the cue ball as you become more proficient with pocketing the object ball. The shot is fare easier than it looks.
JoeyA
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Scott Lee said:
This shot is detailed on Willie Jopling's 1-Pocket dvds. BTW, it requires NO sidespin (just draw), to avoid a collision, or to bank it cross corner, as you have. As long as the CB is on the same side of the rack, as the OB, the OB banks easily, without scratching, and without a double kiss. This bank can be made, even if the OB is frozen to the rail, and down close to the pocket.

Scott Lee

It's not the same shot as Mr. Jopling's shot since the cue ball is on the opposite side of the rack as the object ball.

You can see that the cue ball is not on the same side of the rack as the object ball in my cuetable diagram.

The purpose of my shot was to illustrate the shot first to show how the low-right side spin changed the direction that the object ball took as compared to using side spin only.

Also if I miss the shot, I would prefer the cue ball so that the cue ball to be as far away from the object ball as I can get it. With low English only, in addition to a likely collision of the two balls, I fear that the cue ball would make it's way back down toward my own pocket possibly giving up an easy shot straight in on the object ball.

JoeyA
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Joey...Nope, it's the same shot. The CB only has to be "on the same side" as far as the 'line' of the rack. Since the CB is so far away, it is still on the 'same side' for this purpose. Now if the CB were down below the side pocket, from where it is, the shot doesn't go, and double kisses out. Just making the point that sidespin is not needed to cross bank the OB, without a kiss.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Rep to you

Joey, I had some time last night to work with this shot. I had trouble avoiding the kiss using outside english (RH) and only made the ball once in about 25 tries, hanging the ball about 8 times. Using inside english I made the ball 3 times and left it hanging about 15 times, the balance of the shots kissed out.

I placed the object ball one ball width from the rail and 1/2 ball below the first diamond. The cue ball was placed 1/2 diamond away from the head spot.

I love practicing these shots. Thanks for sharing........Paul
 
Tried it..........

....like it!!!

I still like the inside too. Never really tried it with outside, but for some reason almost every time I attempted the shot the object ball went in the pocket...............:smile: :smile: :smile:

td
 
Depends how the balls are laying

A discrepancy in opinions here can only be based on EXACTLY where the balls are being placed on the table. 99% of the time there is no choice to be made of whether to use inside or outside english on this type of bank - the exact layout of the cueball and object ball will dictate the correct method = If the bank can be made with inside english and have ZERO chance of a kiss, then that's the best way to shoot the bank - if however, there is any chance of a kiss using inside english, then the bank should be shot with outside english.


- Ghost
 
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