Adjustments needed to make the majority of all shots aren't substantial? We must speak different languages.
I think that we must. Substantial implies great amounts. With the CTE method there are no great amounts of movement. In fact even with the Ghost Ball method there is not any great amount of adjustment to deal with CIT or deflection. The gb is slightly adjusted. Also when I speak I am thinking of individual shots and what it takes to pocket those. No shot has any bearing whatsoever on any other shot. If you use the Ghost Ball method then you are still doing the same thing for every individual shot. Your adjustment for cit and throw will not vary much from the thickest to the thinnest shot. Feel free to disprove me using ghost ball and your excellent diagrams. Give us a framework to work in using hard numbers coupled with a visual reference. I think when you are done the amount of adjsutment for defelction and cit will be from less than a millimeter to maybe 2-3mm at best going from say 2 degrees of cut to 89 degrees of cut. To me that's not substantial and the mean adjustment for any given shot will be a very small area. I would think that Dr. Dave already has some video on this which we could use.
Not without substantial "by feel" adjustments.
Most defintely without "substantial" adjustments and most certainly without enough feel to be noticeable.
As I said, it's simple geometry. The handful of shot alignments definec by CTE simply aren't enough to make all shots. This has been demonstrated here on AzB and on other forums - it's as straightforward as "the shortest distance between two points is a straight line".
Has anyone who teaches CTE ever provided you with a diagram that connects referernce points with the shot line? If so then please provide that. Because that is the only way that the "geometry" can be said to be false. Looking at a target's edge is not the same as pointing a laser at the target. We do not have the ocular capacity of an eagle nor the ability to focus and hold steady on a point like a laser. Thus we use references to orient ourselves. We use the Ghost Ball method because it's correct on paper and a seemingly easy task to imagine the phantom ball sitting in right space with the right amount of offset. That is a reference whehter or not we are good at it.
With CTE the edges and the center are the initial refernce points. And Mr. Shuffet teaches to use a secondary reference point to further narorw down the body orientation. The turns out to work very well with only a limited amount of reference points needed to make any shot. Those points are not connected to the shot line geometrically as simply as ghost ball is. They are connected spatially. Now, as with Ghost Ball it's really NOT neccesary to know why it works in order for it to be of practical use. No one needs to know geometry to understand that they need to imagine a ball in line with the pocket and to point the cue stick through the cue ball to that imaginary ball. No one needs the math. They follow the directions, learn to adjust for conditions and it works. Same for CTE, no one needs to really know the complex math that underlies it. It just works whether you understand, or think you understand how it works.
If you need it to make shots, it's not inconsequential (by definition).
If the effect you say is needed is so small as to not be noticed then it's incosequential.
Substantial by any meaningful definition, and proved beyond doubt.
Then provide the proof. If what you say has been proven beyond doubt then you can certainly provide the hard evidence right? Let us see it and evaluate it for ourselves.
The motions of CTE, particularly the very small (yet very substantial) adjustments from CTE's prescribed shot alignments, are impossible to see on a video - especially a video made by somebody who doesn't believe they exist.
Because that person is deliberately hiding them? How is it that a motion which is impossible to see and not even felt in the task of pocketing a ball acquires such importance to you?
So, you say that CTE has finite "aim" points that do not correspond geometrically with the wide range of shot lines. (we are speaking different languages because I see each shot as task unto itself - once the balls moves it's a different shot.) But let's go with your premise. It should be a simple task for you to make a video that clearly shows the adjustments you claim are needed and present in the CTE method. You believe in them, you are intelligent, you should be able to figure out how to demonstrate something that you claim is substantial, as in having clear substance, as opposed to that which is invisible and undetectable. How important can a motion be if you cannot detect it when performing a task?
I apologize but we are clearly at opposite ends here. If you need specialized instruments and high speed video to detect minscule adjustments the for practical purposes those adjustments don't matter because they are completely subconscious. And if the use of a fully consicous and discrete method LEADS to the brain subconsciously adopting the perfect shot line - shot after shot after shot regardless of angle - then that is a pretty darn good method as I see it. Do you disagree?
Those videos can't show aiming adjustments unless the shooter exaggerates them for illustration.
Well I would say that is your task then. I assume you are a proficient enough player to be able to exxagerate these tiny adjustments for illustration.
As usual, when the conversation gets to the part you don't want to believe, the pissiness begins.
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Not at all. I think it's fair to assume that you can demontrate your assertions. Surely you can find a video device and some friends to help you pt together a few videos that attempt to prove your claims. The CTE proponents have done that with amateur video and professional video. Is it too much to expect that you can respond in kind? If you don't want to be the shooter then simply direct. We would all benefit from seeing these adjsutments, especially if they are exxagerated for illustration.
That is not at all what I said. 