John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems

Aiming systems - the end justifies the means

Well, I've went full circle...

One thing I'll say about all this "left brain" pool is it's just not much fun and I miss the enjoyment of just "becoming the Game" again.
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
Well, I've went full circle...

One thing I'll say about all this "left brain" pool is it's just not much fun and I miss the enjoyment of just "becoming the Game" again.
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Well then just do it, CJ! You're still young enough. You were one of my favorite players to watch because of your playing style. It would be neat to see you playing at the top again. Go do it!

[Yeah, like you need my encouragement.]
 
JB Cases said:
The phrase too smart for your own good comes to mind. When Hal first showed up in Denver I thought he was a kook. I knew how to aim and didn't need any weird methods. But luckily for me personally I did suspend my skepticism long enough to absorb what he was asking me to do and put it into practice. The real world results were that within minutes I was pocketing balls better than I ever had before.

The whole thing comes down to two basic camps of people. Those who try these things and keep them if they work and those who want to know the math and physics before trying them.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. To play pool well you have to put little balls into little holes over and over and over. I like the way I was taught to do it in the same way that I like a tool that works well or that I like a software program that works well, which is to say I don't have to know how it was made only that it works and helps me to do what I want to do.
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Tap! Tap! Tap!
 
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cjssecrets4u2 said:
The whole thing comes down to two basic camps of people. Those who try these things and keep them if they work and those who want to know the math and physics before trying them.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. To play pool well you have to put little balls into little holes over and over and over. I like the way I was taught to do it in the same way that I like a tool that works well or that I like a software program that works well, which is to say I don't have to know how it was made only that it works and helps me to do what I want to do.
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Some people are happy figuring out ther dimensions of the stairs :wink:
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CJ,

I love it! Did you draw that yourself or was it a cut & paste deal?

Tell me you drew it yourself even if you didn't. Please don't destoy my perception.

RJ
 
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Some people are happy figuring out ther dimensions of the stairs :wink:
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CJ,

I love it! Did you draw that yourself or was it a cut & paste deal?

Tell me you drew it yourself even if you didn't. Please don't destoy my perception.

RJ[/QUOTE]

It did come straight out of my "az imagination" :wink:
 
robsnotes4u said:
Two words: Placebo effect.

If you think it works for you your conscious mind will find away, right or wrong, to justify that it works.

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Good point. The 'mind' is an amazing human 'organ' that can play some beautiful 'music' even when the symphany has not yet been written.

Did you mean to say subconscious mind?

RJ
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
The whole thing comes down to two basic camps of people. Those who try these things and keep them if they work and those who want to know the math and physics before trying them.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. To play pool well you have to put little balls into little holes over and over and over. I like the way I was taught to do it in the same way that I like a tool that works well or that I like a software program that works well, which is to say I don't have to know how it was made only that it works and helps me to do what I want to do.
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Some people are happy figuring out their dimensions of the stairs :wink:
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And attempting to help some folks can sometimes lead to unexpected consequences:
 

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cjssecrets4u2 said:
Well, I've went full circle...

One thing I'll say about all this "left brain" pool is it's just not much fun and I miss the enjoyment of just "becoming the Game" again.
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But CJ, After experiencing all this 'stuff', just 'becoming the Game' is all that more beautiful & precious!

RJ
 
And attempting to help some folks can sometimes lead to unexpected consequences:[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the good laugh!

RJ
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
And attempting to help some folks can sometimes lead to unexpected consequences:
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They just need to learn how to build a bridge;)[/QUOTE]

Or maybe they are building a bridge, but want only proven, quality, materials and tools to do so. So that when the bridge it built, it won't fall apart without constant maintenance to it.:wink: Remember, there are two sides to every coin.
 
AtLarge said:
cookie -- You seem to be a strong advocate for CTE or Pro-One. Do you play demonstrably better now than you did before you learned your current aiming method? If you think you do, would other people who have known you for a long time agree? And if so, did you devote as much time and effort to pool before you learned your current aiming method as you have since learning it?
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Yes I play better and much much much more consistent. Before pro-one I would often shoot several good matches then all the sudden play considerably worse. Couldn't figure it out. Since pro-one every match is consistent. I don't even have to play as much to still play at the higher level. Other people would agree. I devoted alot of time to getting pro-one down and the result is a tremendous amount of consistency while not having to practice as much.
I pretty much learned CTE from dave segal as him and stan were taking Hal's info and putting it all together. I considered the info so strong that even after being very good at Pro-one, I went ahead and flew to Kentucky, from Baltimore, rented a car, 2 nights hotel, and took Stan's class. Worth every penny.
 
cookie man said:
Yes I play better and much much much more consistent. Before pro-one I would often shoot several good matches then all the sudden play considerably worse. Couldn't figure it out. Since pro-one every match is consistent. I don't even have to play as much to still play at the higher level. Other people would agree. I devoted alot of time to getting pro-one down and the result is a tremendous amount of consistency while not having to practice as much.
I pretty much learned CTE from dave segal as him and stan were taking Hal's info and putting it all together. I considered the info so strong that even after being very good at Pro-one, I went ahead and flew to Kentucky, from Baltimore, rented a car, 2 nights hotel, and took Stan's class. Worth every penny.
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I'd like to add that ever since I started using SEE about a month or so ago, my game has improved. I went from a high C/low B player to a pretty good B player. My practice regiment has remained the same.

It baffles me that there are people still whining about not getting proper explanations of how these systems work, instead of actually buying the book/DVD and spending a few hours a day for a couple weeks to learn one.

I literally have no idea what makes a car work. I know it needs oil and gasoline, but other than that I'm completely lost. However, that doesn't stop me from driving my car everyday.
 
BeiberLvr said:
I'd like to add that ever since I started using SEE about a month or so ago, my game has improved. I went from a high C/low B player to a pretty good B player. My practice regiment has remained the same.

It baffles me that there are people still whining about not getting proper explanations of how these systems work, instead of actually buying the book/DVD and spending a few hours a day for a couple weeks to learn one.

I literally have no idea what makes a car work. I know it needs oil and gasoline, but other than that I'm completely lost. However, that doesn't stop me from driving my car everyday.
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But you will never be a top level race car driver without knowing how a cars works, how suspension changes affects the handling of the car, understanding of the tire traction circle, and on and on and on.

You'll be back in the pack trying to figure out how come you can't keep up with the front runners.
 
duckie said:
But you will never be a top level race car driver without knowing how a cars works, how suspension changes affects the handling of the car, understanding of the tire traction circle, and on and on and on.

You'll be back in the pack trying to figure out how come you can't keep up with the front runners.
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Sure, but I was referring more to the science/physics of how a car works.

I would be willing to bet a decent sum of money that if you actually purchased either Pro1 or SEE and practiced with them, that your game would improve.
 
cookie man said:
Have you ever seen a ghostball ? I haven't.
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Cookie man, if there were one chance in a thousand that these exchanges might bridge the differences between the pro-cte and contra-cte sides, I'd probably continue the conversation. But you and I know it won't. So I'll bow out at this point. No offense, I hope.

Jim
 
duckie said:
But you will never be a top level race car driver without knowing how a cars works, how suspension changes affects the handling of the car, understanding of the tire traction circle, and on and on and on.

You'll be back in the pack trying to figure out how come you can't keep up with the front runners.
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You want to bet on that? I will bet you that there are many top drivers who DON'T understand the science in their cars. They get in and drive it around the track at scary speeds and report back to the crew and the scientists what their experience is and with that the mechanics and the scientists make tweaks.

These guys can jump into ANY car and drive it for a few minutes and understand what it can do without at all knowing what kind of suspension or tire composition it has.

By your reckoning the best pool player on Earth should be the one who understands ALL the science and who has hit a million balls. Well Jonni Fulcher is probably the highest skilled scientist who plays pool and while he is world class he is far from the best player. What is your reasoning then why there are so many players above him who can't spell coefficient of restitution?
 
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